2018 pay increase?

[childs56]

Endure the full hardships of RegF members and they'll get paid the same. PRes members get that 15% back when they're on Cl C, doing the same job as the RegF. That's a whole other ball of wax though.  ff topic:

What hardships? Please enlighten those of us who are not clear as to what the difference in pay should be for?
a full pay check every two weeks. Time to work out, full benefits, go home early, generally a very generous vacation package...............

Been there done that. I actually worked harder in the Reserves then I did in the Regular Force. That was on top of my other job I worked. It was a choice I made when i was In the Reserves I enjoyed the it the whole time.

 

[armyvern]

What hardships? Please enlighten those of us who are not clear as to what the difference in pay should be for?
a full pay check every two weeks. Time to work out, full benefits, go home early, generally a very generous vacation package...............
...

29 years and 13 geographical pick-up-and-damn moves - only one of those was to another location within the same province.  9 years straight of non-voluntary IR away from my family, sometimes on the opposite side of the country.  5 tours for me and then the tours for my SO.  Ask my kids how their school years were for them and how many friends they managed to make. 

You can see my other posts on this site about lack of time to work out, lack of family time, lack of sleep. lack of time off, and 12-14 hour days at work being the expectation vice the exception these days for some support trades to keep things afloat ...

Glad that you managed to pull the "vacation package" straw to my opposite experience.  Even my training husband, an infantry guy, didn't manage to pull off the vacation package.

15%.  When subject to above.  Glad it wasn't your experience, but it is an experience many have and those pers are employed within the Reg F.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Class A and Class B.  Can't speak about the Rangers as I'm not aware how they are paid.

Class C should be the pay standard for Class A and B reservists.

As an aside, I found this interesting.

http://www.ombudsman-veterans.gc.ca/eng/blog/post/286

I have been both Reg and Reserve Force. The 85% pay thing for reservists is more than fair, considering they have geographical stability and a great deal of choice in both work assignments and frequency.

You want the full ticket- go Reg Force.

 

[childs56]

I do know the premise of my comment was more directed towards why a Reservist makes less then a Regular Force.  I can say when I use to go away for 3 or four months to instruct I did the same job, worked the same 12-18hrs a day on average as my Regular Force Friends. Yet I made less then they did even though we both held the same rank. Even funnier was when they found out how much less we made. and that we were not being paid year round unless we showed up for work.  (they all thought we received a monthy wage for doing nothing). Everyone of them said they would not give up their summer and take a pay cut to do what we did.  I choose to do what I did for the better of my Unit and myself, I made decent money but not as much as if I had of stayed home and continued in my Civilian job.

I still know many people in the Military, Army Navy and Airforce. They seem to be pretty happy with their postings and their life style. Not many of them working past 8hrs a day unless they are on a Training Billet or a Operation Task. Every one of them seem to have lots of time off for Vacation time. It is not perfect but it also isnt as bad as some have it.

I also know a few who seem to always be deployed and are never home. But they see to be the fewer of the crowd.

My Civilian job now affords me the 12plus hrs a day with the average being 16hrs with being away from home more then 2/3rds of my life living out of a duffel bag. Its a life style people become accustomed to. But not one that is great for family or friends.

 

[Eaglelord17]

29 years and 13 geographical pick-up-and-damn moves - only one of those was to another location within the same province.  9 years straight of non-voluntary IR away from my family, sometimes on the opposite side of the country.  5 tours for me and then the tours for my SO.  Ask my kids how their school years were for them and how many friends they managed to make. 

You can see my other posts on this site about lack of time to work out, lack of family time, lack of sleep. lack of time off, and 12-14 hour days at work being the expectation vice the exception these days for some support trades to keep things afloat ...

Glad that you managed to pull the "vacation package" straw to my opposite experience.  Even my training husband, an infantry guy, didn't manage to pull off the vacation package.

15%.  When subject to above.  Glad it wasn't your experience, but it is an experience many have and those pers are employed within the Reg F.

Ok and you also have the other side of things as well, which includes Reg Force members who do next to nothing all day. Some people I have met in the Regs couldn't make it civvy side, being to lazy or incompetent to actually get and hold a real career. The other thing is when your coming in for a half day or full day with the Reserves its only when there is work. I can recall many days when there wasn't anything to do in the Regs but I was paid either way.

It is much harder to be a dedicated Reservist than a Reg Force member. Reg Force they simply tell you what to do and you do it. Reserves you have to try and balance a civilian career as well as a family and a military career.  For example I work 48+ hours a week of hard industrial labour in a severely understaffed mechanical department (under 50% manning). On top of that I still go to every parade night plus some weekends. I will work sometimes a 11 hour shift starting at 7am, go straight to the Reserves after work and be at the Reserves until 11pm only to wake up for 4am to go back to heavy maintenance for another 12 hour shift. Then after that I will show up to the Reserves on the weekend for training only to go back to my civvy job on Monday. A while ago I worked 104 hours in a week between the Reserves and my civvy job. The longest period of time I have had off in over a year is 4 days.

This isn't meant to be some sort of foot measuring contest, just a statement of some peoples reality. There are people who work hard in both elements, just as there are people who do as little as possible. The big difference is with the Reserves those who do as little as possible don't get paid for it. That 15% difference is insulting especially when you consider all the other benefits the Regs receive. When you do the same work, you should receive the same pay.

 

[jollyjacktar]

Eaglelord17,  we have to balance our family life too, even more so in some instances.  I have been away from home on IR going on 3 years now and will be heading towards 4 in a few months.

I too, was a Reservist many years ago.  The levels of training between the two were night and day and for those trades l am familiar with, still are.

There are marked differences between us.

 

[winnipegoo7]

On top of that I still go to every parade night plus some weekends.

I think this is actually the major difference. If a class A reservist doesn’t want to come to work a class A reservist doesn’t have to go to work.

In the end both reg force and reserve force careers are choices, each of which have their own pros and cons.

If you think you’re being mistreated then quit the military or switch to the reg force (where you’re life would apparently be so much easier).

 

[runormal]

I think this is actually the major difference. If a class A reservist doesn’t want to come to work a class A reservist doesn’t have to go to work.

I think this is huge point and people keep saying  "well Pte Bloggins could make more per hour at McDonalds."

I've never worked a retail job where I could simply say "Yeah I don't feel like coming in, so I'm not." Shift trading/giving away happens, but ultimately you are responsible for finding a replacement.  In the reserves if you don't show up what can your COC really do? Threaten to not send you on RST? Good luck, we can't fill the spots that we have..

 

[SupersonicMax]

Ok and you also have the other side of things as well, which includes Reg Force members who do next to nothing all day. Some people I have met in the Regs couldn't make it civvy side, being to lazy or incompetent to actually get and hold a real career. The other thing is when your coming in for a half day or full day with the Reserves its only when there is work. I can recall many days when there wasn't anything to do in the Regs but I was paid either way.

It is much harder to be a dedicated Reservist than a Reg Force member. Reg Force they simply tell you what to do and you do it. Reserves you have to try and balance a civilian career as well as a family and a military career.  For example I work 48+ hours a week of hard industrial labour in a severely understaffed mechanical department (under 50% manning). On top of that I still go to every parade night plus some weekends. I will work sometimes a 11 hour shift starting at 7am, go straight to the Reserves after work and be at the Reserves until 11pm only to wake up for 4am to go back to heavy maintenance for another 12 hour shift. Then after that I will show up to the Reserves on the weekend for training only to go back to my civvy job on Monday. A while ago I worked 104 hours in a week between the Reserves and my civvy job. The longest period of time I have had off in over a year is 4 days.

This isn't meant to be some sort of foot measuring contest, just a statement of some peoples reality. There are people who work hard in both elements, just as there are people who do as little as possible. The big difference is with the Reserves those who do as little as possible don't get paid for it. That 15% difference is insulting especially when you consider all the other benefits the Regs receive. When you do the same work, you should receive the same pay.

The big difference is that you do it by choice.  In the Reg force, that choice isn't there,  in fact, you also do not have the choice of where you live.  My wife could make a lot more if we weren't in Cold Lake and there is nothing I or she can do.  As a reservist, younhave that choice of living where you desire .  I can tell you she could make more that the extra 15% I make over a reservist.

 

[George Wallace]

I think this is actually the major difference. If a class A reservist doesn’t want to come to work a class A reservist doesn’t have to go to work.

Yes and NO.

If a Class A Reservist doesn't want to come to work, they don't have to, is correct.  However, if a Class A Reservist does not Parade the minimum required amount of time per month, they will be marked as NES and Release Proceedings may soon follow.

 

[garb811]

We have been around this bush more than a few times on this website and this rapidly spiraled into another round of Reg vs Res.

If you want to debate the reasons for differences in compensation or shortcomings of the training/experience/motivation/pick the topic of whichever component you are for or against, go find that thread and do it there.  Otherwise, back on topic.

- Staff

 

[Zoomie]

I’m looking forward to Monday - where I get to go to work and do nothing all day.  :rofl:

 

[dapaterson]

I’m looking forward to Monday - where I get to go to work and do nothing all day.  :rofl:

You're a compensation adviser in Miramichi?

 

[PPCLI Guy]

I’m looking forward to Monday - where I get to go to work and do nothing all day.  :rofl:

You work at CJOC?

 

[PuckChaser]

Probably at PSPC in the DND procurements cell.

 

[dapaterson]

PSAC, the largest PS union, has rejected an offer of 1.5% per year over four years, and has also rejected a proposal for compensation for Phoenix related issues which PIPSC, CAPE and other unions have accepted.

Looks to be a bumpy way forward.

PSAC declares bargaining impasse: http://psacunion.ca/psac-declares-bargaining-impasse-liberals-fail

PSAC rejects Phoenix offer: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/phoenix-ottawa-government-psac-1.5123034

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Because they will do so much better if the Conservatives win this fall?

 

[JesseWZ]

PSAC, the largest PS union, has rejected an offer of 1.5% per year over four years, and has also rejected a proposal for compensation for Phoenix related issues which PIPSC, CAPE and other unions have accepted.

Looks to be a bumpy way forward.

PSAC declares bargaining impasse: http://psacunion.ca/psac-declares-bargaining-impasse-liberals-fail

PSAC rejects Phoenix offer: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/phoenix-ottawa-government-psac-1.5123034

If the CBC article is accurate, that seems like a pretty weak sauce first offer, considering the hardship many were put through...

 

[TCM621]

Because they will do so much better if the Conservatives win this fall?

They would fight with the NDP, it's just how these things seem to work.