2022 CPC Leadership Discussion: Et tu Redeux

[Quirky]

Can't or haven't yet? Don't want to release too many good ideas all at once, might get stolen by the current gov...

 

[Eaglelord17]

Can't or haven't yet? Don't want to release too many good ideas all at once, might get stolen by the current gov...

The last two elections they failed to release a platform as well so I am not holding my breath that they are going to release one. Besides if its a good idea I want it enacted no matter who does it. The goal is to benefit the country not the individuals.

 

[ArmyRick]

On the parties and their Captains, let me ask a serious question

Do the Liberals vote for the Liberal Party of Canada or Trudeau's Brand of the LPC?

Serious question. Gets me wondering about how easily Canadians are duped into making stupid voting decisions (at this point, even if you lean heavy left, voting Liberals is still very stupid)

 

[Haggis]

Here's some likely LPC responses.

What is the Conservatives environmental policy?

The CPC supports dirty, heavy industry which will destroy the planet.

What is their tax policy? What is their military policy?

The CPC will just drag us into another American War.

What is their social policies?

The CPC will reverse all the gains we've made, re-criminalize cannabis and abolish $10 daycare!

What is their policies towards the public service?

The CPC will cull the public service, leaving Canadians without easy access to their government's services and programs (the unions will be on this one like a fat kid on a French fry.)

What is their policy on firearms?

Canadian schools, parks and playgrounds will be awash in the blood of your children!

The answer is they don’t have one, or at least one they are willing to share. Just saying its different isn’t good enough for many, especially those on the fence.

Again I don’t support the Liberals or NDP, but it does make me mad that the Conservatives can’t release a platform.

I will say this about the LPC. Their campaigns are disciplined. Their messaging is cohesive, coordinated and focused. Trudeau may suck as a PM, but he excels at campaigning.

That we are still 2 years out from an election gives the LPC the initiative to counter whatever PP comes up with for a platform. And, releasing a platform now may result in many "promises" being overtaken by events and rendered irrelevant by the time the next writ is dropped.

 

[Haggis]

On the parties and their Captains, let me ask a serious question

Do the Liberals vote for the Liberal Party of Canada or Trudeau's Brand of the LPC?

Trudeau has star power and charisma while in public. He's an actor and a celebrity, just like the Donald.

Serious question. Gets me wondering about how easily Canadians are duped into making stupid voting decisions (at this point, even if you lean heavy left, voting Liberals is still very stupid)

Not when PP continues to play the angry white right-wing male role. He's just not ready.

 

[ArmyRick]

Trudeau has star power and charisma while in public. He's an actor and a celebrity, just like the Donald.

Not when PP continues to play the angry white right-wing male role. He's just not ready.

Better wake up on PP. He is only perceived as what you described by people like you. He is making huge positive waves with Muslims, Chinese Canadians and other "non-far right wing" Canadians. Muslims are getting really fed up with pride month and LGBTQ+ words of the day (huge protest at various school boards) and many Chinese Canadians have lost any trust in Trudeau to protect them from the land they fled.

All you have to do is look at his many stops when he travels the nation in the last six months. He appears at many non-white crowds and receives applauds for what he is championing for.

I follow him (PP). I have no idea where you get your description of him from. One question, are you currently employed by the federal government?

 

[ArmyRick]

Trudeau has star power and charisma while in public. He's an actor and a celebrity, just like the Donald.

Not when PP continues to play the angry white right-wing male role. He's just not ready.

My question was about Brand Trudeau not PP.

 

[ArmyRick]

This was an interesting watch

 

[mariomike]

He appears at many non-white crowds and receives applauds for what he is championing for.

Maybe he can turn things around, next time.

As Tories review election loss, weak support in immigrant communities a crucial issue

Of the 41 ridings in Canada where more than half the population is racialized, the Conservatives won just one in the 2021 election — Calgary Forest Lawn

nationalpost.com

Of the 41 ridings in Canada where more than half the population is racialized, the Conservatives won just one in the 2021 election — Calgary Forest Lawn

 

[ArmyRick]

2021 is basically a life time ago in politics.

 

[Haggis]

Better wake up on PP. He is only perceived as what you described by people like you.

You have no idea who I am or what people like me think. PP is a soundbite and nothing else.

He is making huge positive waves with Muslims, Chinese Canadians and other "non-far right wing" Canadians. Muslims are getting really fed up with pride month and LGBTQ+ words of the day (huge protest at various school boards) and many Chinese Canadians have lost any trust in Trudeau to protect them from the land they fled.

All you have to do is look at his many stops when he travels the nation in the last six months. He appears at many non-white crowds and receives applauds for what he is championing for.

There are still too many scary socons in the CPC for them to appeal to new Canadians more than the PM who let them in, especially since that PM holds the keys to their success here.

I follow him (PP). I have no idea where you get your description of him from.

I follow him at arms length, hoping he and the CPC will show signs of having their ducks in a row and are prepared to govern. Nothing to report, yet, despite having some really capable shadow ministers in place.

PP is a master of the "gotcha!" I cannot tolerate people like that. He has rubbed me the wrong way for years.

One question, are you currently employed by the federal government?

Yes.

My immediate co-workers despise JT and his policies. Our union, however, fully supports him to the point they were encouraging us to vote LPC or NDP in 2021 to ensure the CPC don't regain power.

 

[suffolkowner]

On the parties and their Captains, let me ask a serious question

Do the Liberals vote for the Liberal Party of Canada or Trudeau's Brand of the LPC?

Serious question. Gets me wondering about how easily Canadians are duped into making stupid voting decisions (at this point, even if you lean heavy left, voting Liberals is still very stupid)

I think Trudeau helped revive the Liberal brand but think that he is not an asset right now and that those voter such as myself that move their vote around are turned off more die hard liberals are just holding their nose and voting

 

[ArmyRick]

You have no idea who I am or what people like me think. PP is a soundbite and nothing else.

There are still too many scary socons in the CPC for them to appeal to new Canadians more than the PM who let them in, especially since that PM holds the keys to their success here.

He's a master of the "gotcha!" I cannot tolerate people like that. He has rubbed me the wrong way for years.

Yes.

My immediate co-workers despise JT and his policies. Our union, however, fully supports him to the point they were encouraging us to vote LPC or NDP in 2021 to ensure the CPC don't regain power.

I know who exactly who you are

 

[ArmyRick]

Yup. I highlighted my concerned areas. Like cultish hate on for the CPC. Never Harper/Mulroney/Poilievre?

If the CPC wins the next election, tell your union to brace themselves.

Ever stop to think that as a federal govt employee you are very much insulated from the real world where many Canadians can't pay for rent/mortgage, heating and food on the monthly income? Not just a few, but many.

YOU have the audacity to talk about PP doing nothing but fueling "right wing rage"? Your out of touch.

You have no idea who I am or what people like me think. PP is a soundbite and nothing else.

There are still too many scary socons in the CPC for them to appeal to new Canadians more than the PM who let them in, especially since that PM holds the keys to their success here.

He's a master of the "gotcha!" I cannot tolerate people like that. He has rubbed me the wrong way for years.

Yes.

My immediate co-workers despise JT and his policies. Our union, however, fully supports him to the point they were encouraging us to vote LPC or NDP in 2021 to ensure the CPC don't regain power.

 

[dimsum]

Ever stop to think that as a federal govt employee you are very much insulated from the real world where many Canadians can't pay for rent/mortgage, heating and food on the monthly income? Not just a few, but many.

YOU have the audacity to talk about PP doing nothing but fueling "right wing rage"? Your out of touch.

…and THAT is why the CPC should put out their campaign platforms, so those folks know what the CPC would do if they form govt.

Which it hasn’t.

Call me crazy, but if I was voting for a party, I’d want to know their platform.

 

[ArmyRick]

May not be a full platform but
-Promise to ax the carbon tax (please dear god do this)
-Change easy bail so that violent repeat offenders stay in jail until trial
-DITCH the safe supply and harm reduction fantasies that have only seen OD go way overboard
-Allow our energy sector to function
-Remove as many red tape blocks on building new homes and developing new businesses
-Open up or broaden the natural resources (more revenue)
-Lower income tax

Thats a starter.

WHO at this time can run this government better? Do tell.

 

[Remius]

Better wake up on PP. He is only perceived as what you described by people like you. He is making huge positive waves with Muslims, Chinese Canadians and other "non-far right wing" Canadians. Muslims are getting really fed up with pride month and LGBTQ+ words of the day (huge protest at various school boards) and many Chinese Canadians have lost any trust in Trudeau to protect them from the land they fled.

All you have to do is look at his many stops when he travels the nation in the last six months. He appears at many non-white crowds and receives applauds for what he is championing for.

I follow him (PP). I have no idea where you get your description of him from. One question, are you currently employed by the federal government?

So what do you attribute the stagnation in the polls to?

Or how his trip across Quebec only made him the least preferred leader in that province?

Or why the recent bi elections saw reduced vote shares in 3 of 4 contests?

Generally why his personal brand isn’t any higher than it is given the current political climate?

May not be a full platform but
-Promise to ax the carbon tax (please dear god do this)
-Change easy bail so that violent repeat offenders stay in jail until trial
-DITCH the safe supply and harm reduction fantasies that have only seen OD go way overboard
-Allow our energy sector to function
-Remove as many red tape blocks on building new homes and developing new businesses
-Open up or broaden the natural resources (more revenue)
-Lower income tax

Thats a starter.

WHO at this time can run this government better? Do tell.

all those are nothing but catch phrases and statements. HOW will he do that?

 

[Haggis]

Ever stop to think that as a federal govt employee you are very much insulated from the real world where many Canadians can't pay for rent/mortgage, heating and food on the monthly income? Not just a few, but many.

My children and almost all of my family are not PS employees and I occasionally use my "success" to help them out. I've also been "Phoenixed" twice to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars, yet to be recovered.

YOU have the audacity to talk about PP doing nothing but fueling "right wing rage"? Your out of touch.

I don't spend a lot of time following federal politics because it makes me angry. If that makes me "out of touch" I guess I'm in the majority, regardless of what side of the political spectrum I'm on.

If the CPC wins the next election, tell your union to brace themselves

As far as my union goes, they are useless in my eyes. I do not take part in union activities nor do I support their position on most issues. They are quite out of touch and I think a CPC win would be very good for my department.

 

[ArmyRick]

So what do you attribute the stagnation in the polls to?

Or how his trip across Quebec only made him the least preferred leader in that province?

Or why the recent bi elections saw reduced vote shares in 3 of 4 contests?

Generally why his personal brand isn’t any higher than it is given the current political climate?

all those are nothing but catch phrases and statements. HOW will he do that?

Actually write him and he will send you a detailed description.

Those recent by elections saw no real change in seats for either LPC or CPC, the NDP on the other hand slid down huge on the number of votes received.

 

[Halifax Tar]

You make valid points, however, I would also point out that the current government, not the LPC, rules with an iron fist from the PMO.

Sure. That iron fist also causes stronger division.

Even if there was a caucus revolt, I doubt many would see the light of day in subsequent elections, lest Cabinet appointments. Grudges are a common theme within the LPC and its well known.

No, I disagree. If there was a "quiet revolution" going on it would be leaked. Politicians cant keep secrets.

As it stands, I know a lot of people with uteruses and even those under the Rainbow Umbrella who hate the "tax and spend" agenda of the LPC, but refuse to vote CPC because their social policies are prejudicial to their own existence.

Can you expand on this please ?