it was 100% legal and warranted, trump had stolen documents. If trump didn't have documents, how did he have documents to turn over when they were subpoenaed? If you read the indictment, you would see that the basis for one of the obstruction of justice charges was testimony from trumps own lawyer.
2025 U.S. - Venezuela conflict
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It was so warranted it literally had a warrant.
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Let's not go back to old news on this topic.
If you need to reply to the above few posts there is a topic somewhere here for that.
Back to Venezuela/US conflict please.
If you need to reply to the above few posts there is a topic somewhere here for that.
Back to Venezuela/US conflict please.
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Try getting your own houses in order before you decide to deride me. If I had the time, patience and need to strip you of your condecending, humourless, childish diatrabes, I have lots of material on you both. So, toddle off now, get some clean diapers on and enjoy your evening girls.
I have visions of Joy Reid and Whoopi Goldberg speaking when I read stuff from these two, lefty TDS patient zeros.
Brihard,
Thanks for having my back. I still don't like him, but nobody ever tries to give the devil his due. Hes pompous, exaggerates qndma bunch of other stuff most politicians traffic in. I just want to see some balance. But nobody wants to talk the good things republicans have done. Just attack. It sounds like MSNBC or CNN around here sometimes.
AI is a tool. In it's infancy. You might not like it, but it's here and isn’t going away. Using it to accumulate stats, instead of Googling for hours just makes sense to me. The explanation I posted was fair in its narative to both sides. And it contained sources to check it's veracity. Using it shouldn't have to come with apologies. However, I understand it's not everyone's cyber cup of tea.
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It seems some news sites are reporting that it was a military decision. Let the deflection and finger-pointing begin.
www.bbc.com
Those who feel the first hit was ok should be okay with the second. I wonder if we will see blackhawks and drones on our side of the border. After all, that's where all of the Fentanyl comes from, apparently.
US authorised second deadly Venezuela boat strike, White House says
The strikes, authorised by Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth, have raised fresh legality questions - but the White House says laws have been followed.
www.bbc.com
Those who feel the first hit was ok should be okay with the second. I wonder if we will see blackhawks and drones on our side of the border. After all, that's where all of the Fentanyl comes from, apparently.
I was wondering who would say that part out loud first.
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To be accurate…
Altair
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Never change.
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I'm also posting this in the Oil & Gas Pipeline thread
The US wants this resource because it will absolutely f*ck us - If they get free, unrestricted access to this, it will gut Alberta oil moving to the US, make no mistake that it will. They will get this oil from VZ at a massive discount and it will kneecap us.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/02/business/venezuela-oil-trump
The United States appears ready for war with Venezuela, a prospect that Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro this weekend attributed to America’s desire to control the country’s vast oil reserves.
Most people associate large oil stockpiles with the Middle East or Texas, but Venezuela is sitting on a massive 303 billion barrels worth of crude – about a fifth of the world’s global reserves, according to the US Energy Information Administration. It’s the planet’s single-largest known mass of crude oil.
Venezuela produces about 1 million barrels of oil per day – no slouch, but only about 0.8% of global crude production. That’s less than half of what it produced before Maduro took control of the country in 2013 and less than a third of the 3.5 million barrels it was pumping before the Socialist regime took over in 1999.
That’s a particular problem, because the kind of oil Venezuela is sitting on – heavy, sour crude – requires special equipment and a high level of technical prowess to produce. International oil companies have the capability to extract and refine it, but they’ve been restricted from doing business in the country.
For decades, America was far more dependent on Venezuelan oil than it currently is.
Venezuela is nearby and its oil is relatively cheap – a result of its sticky sludgy texture that requires significant refining. Most US refineries were constructed to process Venezuela’s heavy oil, and they’re significantly more efficient when they’re using Venezuelan oil compared to American oil, according to Phil Flynn, senior market analyst at the Price Futures Group.
This article makes ZERO mention that Alberta tar sands oil is the same type of oil -
Opening up Venezuelan oil to the world could benefit the United States and its allies – and, potentially, the Venezuelan economy.
Read that sentence again. ".....could benefit the US and its allies' - Which Allies? Why does this article not say that 'opening up more Canadian oil to the world could benefit the US and its allies?" Because the US does not want this to happen, they do not want us benefiting from selling more oil to 'its allies' because those 'allies' would be beholden to Canada, NOT the US.
The msg that Carney, Alberta, Canadian oil companies and businesspeople should be loudly spouting off is, 'If the US gets control of VZ oil it will gut our oil industry, our economy and our country. We need to start pumping oil to the west and east coasts ASAP in order to stop the potential collapse of our economy.
The US wants this resource because it will absolutely f*ck us - If they get free, unrestricted access to this, it will gut Alberta oil moving to the US, make no mistake that it will. They will get this oil from VZ at a massive discount and it will kneecap us.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/02/business/venezuela-oil-trump
The United States appears ready for war with Venezuela, a prospect that Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro this weekend attributed to America’s desire to control the country’s vast oil reserves.
Most people associate large oil stockpiles with the Middle East or Texas, but Venezuela is sitting on a massive 303 billion barrels worth of crude – about a fifth of the world’s global reserves, according to the US Energy Information Administration. It’s the planet’s single-largest known mass of crude oil.
Venezuela produces about 1 million barrels of oil per day – no slouch, but only about 0.8% of global crude production. That’s less than half of what it produced before Maduro took control of the country in 2013 and less than a third of the 3.5 million barrels it was pumping before the Socialist regime took over in 1999.
That’s a particular problem, because the kind of oil Venezuela is sitting on – heavy, sour crude – requires special equipment and a high level of technical prowess to produce. International oil companies have the capability to extract and refine it, but they’ve been restricted from doing business in the country.
For decades, America was far more dependent on Venezuelan oil than it currently is.
Venezuela is nearby and its oil is relatively cheap – a result of its sticky sludgy texture that requires significant refining. Most US refineries were constructed to process Venezuela’s heavy oil, and they’re significantly more efficient when they’re using Venezuelan oil compared to American oil, according to Phil Flynn, senior market analyst at the Price Futures Group.
This article makes ZERO mention that Alberta tar sands oil is the same type of oil -
Opening up Venezuelan oil to the world could benefit the United States and its allies – and, potentially, the Venezuelan economy.
Read that sentence again. ".....could benefit the US and its allies' - Which Allies? Why does this article not say that 'opening up more Canadian oil to the world could benefit the US and its allies?" Because the US does not want this to happen, they do not want us benefiting from selling more oil to 'its allies' because those 'allies' would be beholden to Canada, NOT the US.
The msg that Carney, Alberta, Canadian oil companies and businesspeople should be loudly spouting off is, 'If the US gets control of VZ oil it will gut our oil industry, our economy and our country. We need to start pumping oil to the west and east coasts ASAP in order to stop the potential collapse of our economy.
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Well, in spite of the worries about "all those drugs pouring in," I guess it'll depend on who's on POTUS47's naughty/nice list. For example, seems one big foreign-national drug dealer/facilitator got a bit of a solid recently ....
Trump’s pardon of Honduras’s ex-president shows counter-drug effort is ‘based on lies and hypocrisy’
Why has Trump blown up alleged narco boats in the Caribbean and at the same time decided to let a big time trafficker off the hook?
www.theguardian.com
Honduran ex-president Juan Orlando Hernández released from US prison after Trump pardon
Hernández was found guilty in March 2024 of conspiring to bring cocaine into the US, and of possessing machine guns.
www.bbc.com
Why Is President Trump Pardoning a Notorious Convicted Drug Trafficker? | National Review
Another pardon that is just about impossible to defend on the merits.
www.nationalreview.com
Altair
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When he said he doesn't need our oil, the silent part was he wanted cheap puppet state Venezuelan oil instead.
MilEME09
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yeap, Venezuelan heavy crude can be used in texas refineries, and would be cheaper then ours. If they did that and cut imports of canadian oil, alberta's economy would collapse. On the plus side, it would also probably kill off the separatists, America turning their back on them would basically kill any economic hope for an independent AB.
Maduro just angrily flipped over a desk somewhere.Well, in spite of the worries about "all those drugs pouring in," I guess it'll depend on who's on POTUS47's naughty/nice list. For example, seems one big foreign-national drug dealer/facilitator got a bit of a solid recently ....
Trump’s pardon of Honduras’s ex-president shows counter-drug effort is ‘based on lies and hypocrisy’
Why has Trump blown up alleged narco boats in the Caribbean and at the same time decided to let a big time trafficker off the hook?... with at least one right-ish publication scratching its head ...Honduran ex-president Juan Orlando Hernández released from US prison after Trump pardon
Hernández was found guilty in March 2024 of conspiring to bring cocaine into the US, and of possessing machine guns.
... so who knows?Why Is President Trump Pardoning a Notorious Convicted Drug Trafficker? | National Review
Another pardon that is just about impossible to defend on the merits.
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I think people underestimate just how hard it will be to bring Venezuela's oil infrastructure back into service. It was leaking everywhere in the 1990's when I was there and that was the era where it still worked. There has been zero investment in the sector since Chavez took over in 1999.
Even if the US was able to topple the current regime, it would have to secure the capital, secure the port cities, and the oil terminals and fight a guerrilla war against drug cartels and insurgents, both who would target remaining oil pipelines.
Even if the US was able to topple the current regime, it would have to secure the capital, secure the port cities, and the oil terminals and fight a guerrilla war against drug cartels and insurgents, both who would target remaining oil pipelines.
Not really necessary. It can stage a regime change, prop up a new regime, and that regime steers the nation’s oil industry into public private partnerships with American companies, or something like that. Public U.S. spending that drives Venezuelan state investment back to U.S. public interests.
One way it could hypothetically play out.
Anyway, Trump has a cabinet meeting and then a public address in the next few hours. And rather a lot of P8s are flying south into the Caribbean over the last couple hours. Curious move of ISR assets.
Realistically, this could just off at any time. I wouldn’t be surprised if it started tonight. I think it’s quite likely the U.S. will militarily strike Venezuela soon; the big question will be what their objective and end state is?
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One guy gets a Pardon, the other guy gets JDAM.
