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2025 U.S. - Venezuela conflict

I wonder what the population does tomorrow? This is their best chance to toss the regime, while things are still rocky, but that window will close quickly as things settle and power reconsolidates.
Nature abhors a vacuum and so do nations under a dictator. It could be messy.....
 
Hey, if US track record is any indicator then Trump can realize all his oil ambitions in 30ish years, within which will need a 20 year counter insurgency war.
Don’t forget the heavy post-Gulf-war sanctions, and then the second invasion of Iraq, then the insurgency, and then IS. It’s not like Iraq has its production literally smashed but was then left alone to restore it with minimal interference.
 
Heck, let's just see if Venezuela stays intact as a state. And doesn't devolve into Libya or Iraq with factionalism.
Venezuela isn’t infected with islam, so they’re already ahead.
 
Just watched some footage of Madero in New York. I wonder if he could just claim diplomatic immunity in court making any sort of legal case immaterial. He is still the head of a nation.
 
Just watched some footage of Madero in New York. I wonder if he could just claim diplomatic immunity in court making any sort of legal case immaterial. He is still the head of a nation.
So, absolutely he can and will make the claim of immunity that attaches to the person of a head of state / head of government while in office. It’s old and broadly recognized customary international law. But it’s not held as absolute; the inviolability of a head of state has not prevailed against allegations of crimes against humanity, or instance.

The Pinochet case in British court is an imperfect but still useful precedent. There’s a fair claim to be made that that’s where western judicial systems began to shift from the absolute inviolability of a head of state.

Against the legal path of trying to argue for piercing this conventional immunity to prosecute domestic U.S. crimes pertaining to drugs and firearms, a cleaner legal case might be to supersede the indictment to focus on alleging international crimes like torture or other crimes against humanity based on how Maduro ran his regime. That could be easier for US federal courts to navigate around sovereign immunity questions. With that said, any alleged crimes from before he was president would not be protected by that immunity, so depending on what’s alleged it may not matter. I’ve not yet read the indictment.
 
So, absolutely he can and will make the claim of immunity that attaches to the person of a head of state / head of government while in office. It’s old and broadly recognized customary international law. But it’s not held as absolute; the inviolability of a head of state has not prevailed against allegations of crimes against humanity, or instance.

The Pinochet case in British court is an imperfect but still useful precedent. There’s a fair claim to be made that that’s where western judicial systems began to shift from the absolute inviolability of a head of state.

Against the legal path of trying to argue for piercing this conventional immunity to prosecute domestic U.S. crimes pertaining to drugs and firearms, a cleaner legal case might be to supersede the indictment to focus on alleging international crimes like torture or other crimes against humanity based on how Maduro ran his regime. That could be easier for US federal courts to navigate around sovereign immunity questions. With that said, any alleged crimes from before he was president would not be protected by that immunity, so depending on what’s alleged it may not matter. I’ve not yet read the indictment.
Didn’t work for Noriega
 
Noriega was never formally the head of state nor head of government. Those who were were his puppets, yes, but it neatly sidesteps the legal question of a sovereign’s immunity.
The duplicity is shocking.
The US is dead set against the International Court because it fears prosecution of US citizens outside of the US but then it goes off and doesn’t things like this and claims legitimacy.
Regardless of who comes after Trump, Canada and its people need to ensure that going forward we need to explore every single avenue of maintaining our independence, up to, and including, the edge case of our own nuclear weapons.
 
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