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[Altair]

That letter alone should be enough to consider the 25th amendment, if a lot of his rambling nonsense and other classic indicators of demensia weren't enough, but that would require a Congress with a spine and morals.

It's easier to impeach a president than to invoke the 25th.

25th needs a 2/3rd of all of congress not to mention the Cabinet and VP, impeachment needs a simple majority in the house and a 2/3rds in the senate.

So again...never going to happen.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Quite a short visit.

It was a recce for pete's sake

 

[Brad Sallows]

That letter alone should be enough to consider the 25th amendment, if a lot of his rambling nonsense and other classic indicators of demensia weren't enough, but that would require a Congress with a spine and morals.

Cabinet, not Congress, does the 25A thing.

And I realize I've probably made my own mistakes recently - vote to convict (for impeachment) in Senate is 2/3, not simple majority.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Cabinet, not Congress, does the 25A thing.

And I realize I've probably made my own mistakes recently - vote to convict (for impeachment) in Senate is 2/3, not simple majority.

Greater chance of the 2/3's Senate than the Cabinet - the Cabinet owes their paycheques to Trump and a number might struggle after this to find meaningful employment.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Probably wouldn’t be that funny.

He was kidnapped by ICE and sent to Greenland.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Greater chance of the 2/3's Senate than the Cabinet - the Cabinet owes their paycheques to Trump and a number might struggle after this to find meaningful employment.

Although Trump might force the issue, if impeachment happens it has to happen over a major constitutional issue (eg. war against an ally without authorization by Congress); and if it's done properly, it goes down the same way as it did with Nixon - the votes are counted in backroom negotiations, and a delegation of members of his own party tell him its a done deal.

Trump being Trump, he might insist on impeachment and trial if he thinks he can bring voter pressure to bear to change minds in Congress.

 

[Navy_Pete]

Cabinet, not Congress, does the 25A thing.

And I realize I've probably made my own mistakes recently - vote to convict (for impeachment) in Senate is 2/3, not simple majority.

Thanks, that's a good point, but in general Congress and the Senate are both spineless as well, and just ate the Presidential vetos on some very bipartisan bills so why would Cabinet feel anything other than unchecked?

Plus all the adults in the room were fired, quit or never appointed so he's a senile idiot surrounded by dogmatic bootlickers and other idiots with their own agendas so it's hardly the A Team giving real advice or suggesting compromises/restrictions.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Worth the watch.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Although Trump might force the issue, if impeachment happens it has to happen over a major constitutional issue (eg. war against an ally without authorization by Congress); and if it's done properly, it goes down the same way as it did with Nixon - the votes are counted in backroom negotiations, and a delegation of members of his own party tell him its a done deal.

Trump being Trump, he might insist on impeachment and trial if he thinks he can bring voter pressure to bear to change minds in Congress.

He would chose a 6 Jan approach to this matter.

 

[Mick]

Cabinet, not Congress, does the 25A thing.

And I realize I've probably made my own mistakes recently - vote to convict (for impeachment) in Senate is 2/3, not simple majority.

Summary of the applicable section of the 25th Amendment, including actions required by VP (and majority of Cabinet) as well as Congress (specifically if the President refutes their alleged inability to exercise the powers and duties of their office).

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-25/

Section 4​

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

 

[Altair]

Summary of the applicable section of the 25th Amendment, including actions required by VP (and majority of Cabinet) as well as Congress (specifically if the President refutes their alleged inability to exercise the powers and duties of their office).

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-25/

Section 4​

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

2/3rd in both houses, plus Cabinet and VP....

Just impeach. And again, we've seen how impeachment trials go. The only way Trump leaves office before his term is done is if the devil does the deed.

 

[Mick]

2/3rd in both houses, plus Cabinet and VP....

Just impeach. And again, we've seen how impeachment trials go. The only way Trump leaves office before his term is done is if the devil does the deed.

To be clear, the 2/3 House and Senate votes are only required if the President challenges the first attempt by VP and Cabinet majority, and they subsequently make a second attempt.

Of course, I don't think anyone believes that the current President wouldn't force a vote.

 

[Altair]

To be clear, the 2/3 House and Senate votes are only required if the President challenges the first attempt by VP and Cabinet majority, and they subsequently make a second attempt.

Of course, I don't think anyone believes that the current President wouldn't force a vote.

Goes without saying.