5 Canadian soldiers suspended after Nazi salute video emerges

[Altair]

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Same CAF that cannot dock a soldier more than a certain percentage of their monthly pay? Or when a soldier gets demoted they keep their higher ranks pay?

That CAF?

 

[PrairieFella]

Ah! So this is what the Army SM was talking about in Edmonton in terms of hitting the news! Mystery solved.

 

[PrairieFella]

We all know the answer to that one.

Please please please be an all expenses paid stay at Club Ed for a couple years minus a day for these Nazi punks.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Would suspension of duties also mean their pay is cut, or will it just be another covid vacation?

In my experience, it was a command decision on whether or not pay was suspended.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Same CAF that cannot dock a soldier more than a certain percentage of their monthly pay? Or when a soldier gets demoted they keep their higher ranks pay?

That CAF?

I've never heard of a demoted soldier keeping their pay. Have you actually seen that?

When soldiers are AWOL chains of command (with a backbone) can withhold the soldiers pay since the soldiers isn't at work.

Ordering a soldier not to work and then withholding their pay? Interesting situation.

 

[OldSolduer]

Our forefathers fought against asshole Nazis. These fucks should be publicly drummed out of military service.
They have dishonoured our fallen

Of course once due process is complete

 

[brihard]

Please please please be an all expenses paid stay at Club Ed for a couple years minus a day for these Nazi punks.

Let’s wait and see the facts shake out for who actually did what, and what degree of involvement or complicity each individual had.

 

[PrairieFella]

Let’s wait and see the facts shake out for who actually did what, and what degree of involvement or complicity each individual had.

Fair fair

 

[brihard]

Fair fair

And don’t get me wrong- once that’s established, anyone whose behaviour is not congruent with honorable service in CAF should be given the freedom and opportunity to seek employment elsewhere.

 

[OldSolduer]

And don’t get me wrong- once that’s established, anyone whose behaviour is not congruent with honorable service in CAF should be given the freedom and opportunity to seek employment elsewhere.

Very diplomatic

 

[brihard]

Very diplomatic

Right? I’m getting better at this.

 

[OldSolduer]

Right? I’m getting better at this.

Well I was taught about tact and diplomacy by

Billy B

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Well I was taught about tact and diplomacy by

Billy B

He taught me to fall out of airplanes…very diplomatically and tactfully…

 

[dapaterson]

I've never heard of a demoted soldier keeping their pay. Have you actually seen that?

When soldiers are AWOL chains of command (with a backbone) can withhold the soldiers pay since the soldiers isn't at work.

Ordering a soldier not to work and then withholding their pay? Interesting situation.

Civilian side, it's the Ontario Jockey Club test, about the competing interests of the employer and employee, when suspending someone without pay:

1. The issue in a grievance of this nature is not whether the grievor is guilty or innocent, but rather whether the presence of the grievor as an employee of the company can be considered to present a reasonably serious and immediate risk to the legitimate concerns of the employer.

2. The onus is on the company to satisfy the board of the existence of such a risk and the simple fact that a criminal charge has been laid is not sufficient to comply with that onus. The company must also establish that the nature of the charge is such as to be potentially harmful or detrimental or adverse in effect to the company’s reputation or product or that it will render the employee unable properly to perform his duties or that it will have a harmful effect on other employees of the company or its customers or will harm the general reputation of the company.

3. The company must show that it did, in fact, investigate the criminal charge to the best of its abilities in a genuine attempt to assess the risk of continued employment. The burden, in this area, on the company is significantly less in the case where the police have investigated the matter and have acquired the evidence to lay the charge than in the situation proceedings. where the company has initiated

4. There is further onus on the company to show that it has taken reasonable steps to ascertain whether the risk of continued employment might be mitigated through such techniques as closer supervision or transfer to another position.

5. There is a continued onus on the part of the company during the period of suspension to consider objectively the possibility of reinstatement within a reasonable period of time following suspension in light of new facts or circumstances which may come to the attention of the company during the course of the suspension. These matters, again, must be evaluated in the light of the existence of a reasonable risk to the legitimate interest of the company.

The definitive case for the Federal Public Service is Larson v. Treasury Board (Solicitor General Canada - Correctional Service) where an indefinite suspension without pay was successfully grieved.

 

[OldSolduer]

The WPS used to suspend cops without pay until it was successfully challenged in court

 

[PuckChaser]

Good to see at least that one guy getting lit up though.

Thats how you actually counter racism. Deplatforming makes them seem like martyrs, while being ratioed will prevent someone on the fence from agreeing.

 

[KevinB]

I've never heard of a demoted soldier keeping their pay. Have you actually seen that?

Yes, demotions come with a loss of pay. There is no vested rights for demotions.

You go to the max IPC level of the rank you where denoted to.

Going to DB doesn’t necessarily mean a demotion (other than when you’re in DB you get referred to as a service detendee. Folks getting more than 2yrs less a day that is. More is Service Prisoner, and I’m pretty sure you are on the exit ramp at that point.

 

[Altair]

I've never heard of a demoted soldier keeping their pay. Have you actually seen that?

When soldiers are AWOL chains of command (with a backbone) can withhold the soldiers pay since the soldiers isn't at work.

Ordering a soldier not to work and then withholding their pay? Interesting situation.

I've heard of two demoted sergeants having their pay protected.

Granted I didn't go around getting demoted willy nilly, so I'm not 100 percent sure if that's accurate.

 

[RangerRay]