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Non-treaty is an excuse to claim things now, that were forgotten about/not important. There are plenty of First Nations that are thriving in a modern economy, all while keeping their roots. Then there's the majority that want all the things that come with a modern urban center, delivered in random, austere locations. When they don't like something, they block a railroad, or a highway to get what they want. If I do that, I'll get arrested. They could ensure they get some well-paying jobs to work on those pipelines, but instead have been used by the anti-fossil fuel lobby to block any and all development. They are not bargaining in good faith.

This whole treaty garbage needs to be tossed out, and a new, relevant agreement needs to happen to replace the Indian Act. Until then, I'll tune out the majority who are entitled to their entitlements.

 
PuckChaser said:
Non-treaty is an excuse to claim things now, that were forgotten about/not important.

Almost none of BC was subject to treaty negotiations.  At the time, it was thought of as unimportant.  Now, with the benefit of hind sight, it turns out it was more important than we thought.
 
>Northern gateway was always dead as a result of aboriginal title.

All aboriginal title does is identify some of the people in line to be paid.

We're stuck with the Royal Proclamation as the basis of continuing apartheid and feudalism (one class of hereditary rent-collectors, and one class of hereditary rent-payers) for now, but at some point it will become too absurd to sustain.  So, work within its constraints - make an offer.

Pity so few realize that a lift from the stone age into the modern age is worth more than all the land in the Americas.
 
Brad Sallows said:
>Northern gateway was always dead as a result of aboriginal title.

All aboriginal title does is identify some of the people in line to be paid.

We're stuck with the Royal Proclamation as the basis of continuing apartheid and feudalism (one class of hereditary rent-collectors, and one class of hereditary rent-payers) for now, but at some point it will become too absurd to sustain.  So, work within its constraints - make an offer.

Pity so few realize that a lift from the stone age into the modern age is worth more than all the land in the Americas.

Payment isn't enough.  In these new cases, the bands have to agree.  It seems that money is no longer enough in all cases.

Look, I hate the status quo, and regularly argue against it in public fora.  Aboriginal people should be equal under the law.  Nothing less, and nothing more.  That doesn't mean that I don't recognize reality.  We all have to deal with it after all.
 
And Donald Trump has his hand out too, as reported in this story in the Toronto Star reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act.

Donald Trump demands ‘big chunk’ of Keystone XL profits for the U.S.

The Republican presidential front-runner declared that he is “not in love with the idea of taking Canadian oil.”




By: Daniel Dale Washington Bureau, Published on Sun Jan 24 2016

WASHINGTON, D.C.—Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump says he would reject the Keystone XL pipeline if TransCanada Corp. didn’t give the U.S. a “big, big chunk of the profits, or even ownership rights.”
All of Trump’s Republican rivals say they would immediately approve the pipeline from the Alberta oil sands, which President Barack Obama rejected in November. Trump, who bills himself as a master negotiator, now says he would require TransCanada to fork over billions.
“I want 25 per cent of the deal for the United States. They’re going to make a fortune,” he declared in Muscatine, Iowa on Sunday. On Saturday, he said he would ask for “25 per cent of the profits forever.”
Trump, campaigning as an economic nationalist, said he wants the pipeline approved. But he said TransCanada should not be allowed to send Canadian oil through American land—“through farmland and through cities and wherever the hell they’re going” — without paying a hefty price.
“When they do this pipeline, it’s going to be a very profitable thing and it’s really Canada oil coming down — so it’s not — I like Canada, I want these people to be happy, but I want the developers of the pipeline to give the United States a big, big chunk of the profits or even ownership rights, like I do in business. That’s what I do,” he said.
“I want a big piece of the deal. Otherwise I’m not going to approve it. They will give us a lot.”
Trump also declared that he is “not in love with the idea of taking Canadian oil.” He added, “I love Canada, by the way.”
Trump once favoured rapid Keystone approval. He appears to be launching an effort to use the project as fuel for his attempt to challenge the patriotism and the eligibility of top competitor Ted Cruz, the Texas senator who was born in Calgary and held dual citizenship until 2014.
“Ted Cruz will approve the Keystone pipeline because it benefits Canada!” he said.
Trump did not explain how a profit-sharing deal might work. A TransCanada spokesman could not be reached on Sunday.
Trump’s Keystone remarks capped another weekend of bizarre and outlandish statements. On Saturday, he declared, “I could stand in the middle of 5th Ave. and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose any voters.”
On Sunday, he asked if a protester in a red turban was wearing “one of those hats.” It wasn’t clear if he thought the man might have been wearing a red Trump baseball cap.
 
jmt18325 said:
Payment isn't enough.  In these new cases, the bands have to agree.  It seems that money is no longer enough in all cases.

Look, I hate the status quo, and regularly argue against it in public fora.  Aboriginal people should be equal under the law.  Nothing less, and nothing more.  That doesn't mean that I don't recognize reality.  We all have to deal with it after all.
Sure, then they can pay taxes like the rest of us.
 
They can have 25% of the profits, as long as we get 25% of the profits from the refined product his refineries will sell afterwards.
 
Arguing over the distribution network for oil that is currently almost worthless strikes me as a bit of a "bald men fighting over comb" situation. Eventually, oil prices will be high again, and then, and only then, will there be enough cabbage to spread around to deal with all the stakeholders.

No one is interested in building pipelines to ship oil so long as prices are this low. The profits aren't worth the costs, either the actual construction costs or the political costs. The oil may as well sit in the ground until prices are back at $100 a barrel. The oil's not going anywhere, and the world will probably need it in the 22nd century.
 
http://business.financialpost.com/fp-comment/aboriginal-land-will-be-expropriated

There is a reason we elect dictators pro tem.

There is a reason that the federal government has control over inter-provincial trade.

There is a reason why governments can expropriate land.

The limitation is strictly the next election.

And, if the upthread articles are to be believed oil won't stay this low for long.
 
Meanwhile, in Russia:

Russian Oil: Output Grows as Prospects Shrink

Plummeting prices and U.S.-led sanctions raise questions about Russian oil’s capacity to continue underwriting Putin’s global ambitions

IMILOR OIL FIELD, Russia—In the frosty swamplands of West Siberia, the drilling rigs of oil giant  OAO Lukoil  are helping raise Russia’s oil output to its highest levels since the breakup of the Soviet Union a quarter century ago.

But falling crude prices, U.S.-led sanctions and diminished oil exploration threaten Russia’s oil industry and raise questions about its capacity to continue underwriting President  Vladimir Putin’s ambitions at home and abroad.

While recent increases in Russian oil output have helped cushion the sharp price fall, Mr. Putin is so squeezed for cash, his government postponed a planned reduction in oil-export duties this year. Executives say they fear the postponement could be extended, diverting money to Moscow that could be invested in new drilling and exploration to supplement aging oil fields.

“We will have to limit our spending and that will lead to a fall in production,” Lukoil Chief Executive Vagit Alekperov said in an interview at the Russian company’s international headquarters in Vienna.

Russian officials acknowledged that the higher-than-planned taxes could lead to a decrease in investment and production, but said they were needed for the budget.

U.S. and European sanctions over the past 18 months also weigh on Russia’s future prospects by choking Western financing for exploring potential finds in the Arctic Ocean and for tapping Siberian shale formations.

Oil and natural gas revenues make up about half of Russia’s federal government revenue, and exports account for one-third of national output. Energy revenues are central to Mr. Putin’s power as he faces off with the West over Ukraine and the 2014 annexation of Crimea. He has deployed military forces in Syria’s war to back President  Bashar al-Assad.

Oil money extends Mr. Putin’s reach, allowing him the financial resources to issue cheap loans to favored leaders and pay for military adventures abroad.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-oil-output-grows-as-prospects-shrink-1453685744

 
http://montrealgazette.com/opinion/columnists/opinion-why-montreal-says-no-to-the-energy-east-pipeline

Message to Messrs Coderre et al:

So glad you are enjoying the benefits of the reversal of 9B to supply the refinery in Montreal.

It is with regret that we note your refusal to permit the transport of oil and gas products across your province to your fellow Canadians in New Brunswick.  As a result we shall be forced to continue with the current plan and utilize the previously agreed means of transport across your region.  You might want to consider updating some of your investment, management and response plans.

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A couple of thoughts during your deliberations.

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But Saskatchewan Premier Brad Wall noted that Quebec municipalities were benefiting from $10 billion in transfer payments as part of Canada’s equalization system. In the Canadian federation, equalization transfers money from the wealthiest provinces to so-called "have-not" provinces to ensure that all parts of the country have adequate resources for public services.

“For the better part of the last decade, the western Canadian energy sector and western Canadian taxpayers have supported a great portion of these transfer payments as well as the Canadian economy,” Wall wrote on Thursday on his Facebook page. “Is it too much to expect that these Quebec municipal leaders would respond to this reality with generous support for a pipeline that supports the very sector that has supported them?”

And Christie Clark - you are no better.

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How do you get the royalties from your Northeastern fields? Through pipelines that run through Alberta as well as pipelines that Pembina and Kinder Morgan and Spectra have run over the mountains for best part of 60 years. 




 
Chris Pook said:
http://montrealgazette.com/opinion/columnists/opinion-why-montreal-says-no-to-the-energy-east-pipeline
Funnily enough, that's not quite carved in stone  ;D
Montreal Mayor Denis Coderre signalled Tuesday that he is open to changing his mind on the Energy East pipeline.

Following a 45-minute meeting with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Coderre told reporters that what he had retained from his meeting with his former Liberal caucus colleague was "this notion of being responsible" and of finding "a balance" between economic development and sustainable development.

"If we have a role to play, there are people who have homework to do," he said.

“Energy East must change its project and then we will see,” he later told The Huffington Post Canada ...
Not quite a blatant ...
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... but time will tell ...
 
Maybe we can tempt the Cree "nations" with an energy and transportation corridor across the District of Ungava...

A few billion in pipeline, railway, highway and power line construction and ongoing maintainance should get a few people seeing things our way, and will be a productive spending on "infrastructure" to boot. Win win.
 
Thinking of Coderre reminds me of the lyrics of the Cindy Lauper song " and I see your true colours come shining through".  What a POS.

Rick Mercer has one of his better rants on this very same subject for tonight's show. 

Here it is http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/rick-mercer-s-energy-east-rant-1.3419698
 
I wonder how much further capacity Iran can bring on and how much is existing under the table sales being converted into above table sales which might make it appear there is a larger supply.
 
The question is whether even US shale can ever be big enough to compensate for the coming shortage of oil as global investment collapses. “There has been a $1.8 trillion reduction in spending planned for 2015 to 2020 compared to what was expected in 2014,” said Mr Yergin.

Yet oil demand is still growing briskly. The world economy will need 7m b/d more by 2020. Natural depletion on existing fields implies a loss of another 13m b/d by then.

Adding to the witches’ brew, global spare capacity is at wafer-thin levels - perhaps as low 1.5m b/d - as the Saudis, Russians, and others, produce at full tilt.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/12118594/Saudis-will-not-destroy-the-US-shale-industry.html

Ms Croft said the market is likely to tighten in the second half of the year despite the return of Iran, arguing that there are very few spots in the world other than Libya able to crank up output quickly

“We remain of the view that many of the bearish macro factors appear overblown. Current market conditions are setting the market up for a supply shortfall for the coming years, which is not accurately priced into the forward curve,” she said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/12100609/Glimmers-of-hope-for-oil-as-Russia-poised-to-slash-output.html
 
So we weather the storm and go into a heavy maintenance cycle. We then have the ability to ramp up production once the profit margin rebounds. That being said, we should also be looking to build the infrastructure to get our oil to market. Something like Energy East perhaps?
 
Posted in another thread but I will repost here. If the predictions are even half accurate, the United States holds the high cards and can act as the swing producer in reaction to oil prices and demand. We know that US foundations have spent hundreds of millions of dollars trying to cripple the Canadian oil industry, but fast moving American producers reacting rapidly to market signals may be even worse for *us* in terms of establishing a national energy infrastructure. Who will want to invest (as Chris Pook noted) $39 billion in pipelines if the cost isn't going to be amortized through the price of the oil flowing through?

http://nextbigfuture.com/2016/01/technological-progress-in-big-data.html

Technological progress in big data analytics could create Shale 2.0 and bring US oil costs to $5-20 per barrel

The Oil-price collapse was caused by the astonishing, unexpected growth in U.S. shale output, responsible for three-fourths of new global oil supply since 2008. And as lower prices roil operators and investors, the shale skeptics’ case may seem vindicated. But their history is false: the shale revolution, “Shale 1.0,” was sparked not by high prices—it began when prices were at today’s low levels—but by the invention of new technologies. Now, the skeptics’ forecasts are likely to be as flawed as their history.

The information here is from a paper called "Shale 2.0: Technology and the Coming Big-Data Revolution in America's Shale Oil Fields" was released in May by Mark P. Mills, senior fellow for the Manhattan Institute and faculty fellow at Northwestern's McCormick School of Engineering and Applied Sciences

Technological progress, particularly in big-data analytics, has the U.S. shale industry poised for another, longer boom, a “Shale 2.0.”

We’re not at the end of this shale era, we’re at the very beginning.

The shale industry is unlike any other conventional hydrocarbon or alternative energy sector, in that it shares a growth trajectory far more similar to that of Silicon Valley’s tech firms. In less than a decade, U.S. shale oil revenues have soared, from nearly zero to more than $70 billion annually (even after accounting for the recent price plunge). Such growth is 600 percent greater than that experienced by America’s heavily subsidized solar industry over the same period

The transition to Shale 2.0 will take the following steps:

1. Oil from Shale 1.0 will be sold from the oversupply currently filling up storage tanks.
2. More oil will be unleashed from the surplus of shale wells already drilled but not in production.
3. Companies will “high-grade” shale assets, replacing older techniques with the newest, most productive technologies
in the richest parts of the fields.
4. As the shale industry begins to embrace big-data analytics, Shale 2.0 begins.

Shale companies now produce more oil with two rigs than they did just a few years ago with three rigs, sometimes even spending less overall. At $55 per barrel, at least one of the big players in the Texas Eagle Ford shale reports a 70 percent financial rate of return. If world prices rise , to $65 per barrel, some of the more efficient shale oil operators today would enjoy a higher rate of return than when oil stood at $95 per barrel in 2012.

The “walking rig” is one technological advance that has contributed greatly to gains in rig productivity. Rather than drill a single well from a well-pad, a walking rig can move around the pad, drilling multiple wells (sometimes dozens)

Sand used per well has risen, from 5 million to 15 million pounds, on average; the additional sand adds 2 percent to completion costs but boosts output by 40 percent.

Even more oil supply is now, de facto, being stored underground. As noted, production begins with the distinct second stage of well construction. Once a shale site is mapped and long horizontal wells completed, operators can delay the expensive step of fracking. Since the latter constitutes 50–60 percent of total costs, significant spending can be deferred with no loss of the core asset. The oil is simply left stored, in situ, until markets and prices make retrieval more attractive.

In January 2016, there are probably over 5000 wells awaiting completion.

It takes only a few months to complete a well, such wells, once completed, could swiftly add 2–3 million barrels per day to U.S. supply.

Incremental and dramatic improvements will continue in all aspects of the many technologies used in shale production: logistics, planning, seismic imaging, well-spacing, fluid and sand handling, chemistry, drilling speed, pumping efficiency, instrumentation, sensors, and high-power lasers. Shale fields will increasingly be developed using advanced automation, mobile computing, robotics, and industrial drones. At present, barely 10 percent of projects use fully automated drilling and pressure-control systems, for example.

Big Data can make oil fracking 4 times more efficient

Many companies are keeping their big-data projects proprietary, some information is publicly available. Halliburton reports that its analytic tools achieved a 40 percent reduction in the cost of delivering a barrel of oil. Baker Hughes says that analytics have helped it double output in older wells.

At present, each long horizontal well is typically stimulated in 24–36 stages, with, on average, only one-fourth to one-third of those stages productive. At present, in other words, about 20 percent of stages generate 80 percent of output.

The current state of stimulation technology means that, on average, at least 300–400 percent more oil is not extracted. Bringing analytics to bear on the complexities of shale geology, geophysics, stimulation, and operations to optimize the production process would potentially double the number of effective stages—thereby doubling output per well and cutting the cost of oil in half.

SOURCES - Shale 2.0: Technology and the Coming Big-Data Revolution in America's Shale Oil Fields by Mark P. Mills
 
BP expects to emerge from the oil market collapse by the end of 2016 even as the severe downturn in the oil market has left the energy giant nursing its worst annual loss in at least 20 years.

In 2015, the oil major posted an annual loss of $5.2bn, compared to the $8.1bn profit the oil major recorded in the previous year, and will be forced to slash thousands of jobs on top of those already announced.

The worse than expected financial results drove a share price sell off of over 8pc on Tuesday, driving BP's stock to levels almost 25pc lower on the year at 334 pence per share.

But chief executive Bob Dudley said the market will begin to "rebalance" by third or fourth quarter to allow oil prices to correct to levels between $50-$60 per barrel by the end of the year.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/oilprices/12135351/BP-looks-ahead-to-60-oil-after-5.2bn-annual-loss.html

 
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