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A Deeply Fractured US
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That's because you keep trying to throw out accountable stores!
Ex-Chief of Staff Mark Meadows granted immunity, tells special counsel he warned Trump about 2020 claims: Sources
Ex-Trump Chief of Staff Mark Meadows has spoken with Jack Smith's team several times this year, and Smith granted Meadows immunity to testify under oath, sources say.
abcnews.go.com
Apparently Meadows got immunity for his testimony.
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A lot of folks had been suspecting that Meadows had been wearing a wire for several months.
Ex-Chief of Staff Mark Meadows granted immunity, tells special counsel he warned Trump about 2020 claims: Sources
Ex-Trump Chief of Staff Mark Meadows has spoken with Jack Smith's team several times this year, and Smith granted Meadows immunity to testify under oath, sources say.
Apparently Meadows got immunity for his testimony.
Now it’s clear that he likely had.
A lot of issues are going to crop up from this, and DJT’s chances of not being in prison dropped from slim to nil.
Personally I suspect we will see an indictment for…
18 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason
Doubtful. If they were gonna charge that, they would have already. It would be an exceptionally inflammatory charge to lay. Hypothetically, proving it would likely depend on prosecution being ready to actually prove “aid and comfort” to “an enemy”. That’s a big ask, and in the context of what you’re imagining could probably only happen through the introduction of really classified material that would be alleged to have been compromised knowingly to a foreign state.. But that’s the kind of material that never sees the light of day in court, with very good reason.
I don’t see anything in the article suggesting Meadows wore a wire. I can’t say when Meadows would have gone from ‘in’ to ‘out’ among Trump’s inner circle, or whether he would have been likely to have had any meaningful communications after he hypothetically/probably flipped. His recollection of past conversations, and notes/emails would probably more than suffice.
Anyway, Meadows flipping would be one of the most predicted and predictable things in this whole schmozzle. People have been calling that one for many, many months. He would definitely be in a position to sewer several others.
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I suspect anything like that will be part of the classified material issue he has.
Given the number of Foreign actors he is known to have shown Classified material to, I don't think that is a stretch at all.
He's still out there suggesting folks like Orban, Putin, Xi, and Hamas leadership are wise and good examples...
It wasn't from that article - it's been a point of discussion down here for a few months, as it was suspected (but not known) that he'd flipped on Trump for a while.
Agreed
I don’t know how courts would interpret ‘enemy’ but I imagine it would risk well above mere ‘adversary’.
Fair. Though for a wire to be meaningful, the person still needs to be in a position to collect evidence that way.
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Canadian rules on recording conversations at a lot different than down here.
In Virginia only one party to the conversation needs to be aware that it is recorded, and no warrant required.
Now generally there is a caution given by most LEA’s here (mostly to do with body camera and vehicle camera and microphones) but legally it isn’t required.
I’m not sure of what DC’s rules are - as my only forays into DC for LE stuff was in a Federal TF for warrant work.
In Virginia only one party to the conversation needs to be aware that it is recorded, and no warrant required.
Now generally there is a caution given by most LEA’s here (mostly to do with body camera and vehicle camera and microphones) but legally it isn’t required.
I’m not sure of what DC’s rules are - as my only forays into DC for LE stuff was in a Federal TF for warrant work.
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How would it work wearing a wire recording a conversation inside the White House. Seems it would require authorization from a very high authority. Maybe it's not even possible at all, who knows but an interesting thing to consider.
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"Wearing a wire" today can be as simple as "Hitting record on my phone".
If you are looking to cover your ass, recording your conversations is a first place to start (particularly when you aren't putting anything into writing).
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The question is in a super secure area like the White House is it illegal to do one sided recording of conversations with no authorization.
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Well, then, if it is illegal, clearly no one would have done it.
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Nixon White House tapes - Wikipedia
I’m not talking about consent, simply utility. We have one party consent as well, though if it’s for police purposes a warrant is needed. I’ve written those, it’s not onerous.
Simply put though to go to the time and trouble of a one party, the juice still has to be worth the squeeze. The person capturing audio still has to be sufficiently inside as to get useful information.
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Whether it would be legal (or even possible) in ordinary circumstances is one thing; but limiting it to Meadows/Trump, it would be highly improbable. I doubt either of those men have been back to the White House since 20 Jan 2021 (Biden's inauguration) and it's also unlikely that the Justice Department initiated investigations of Trump or placed Meadows into the position of flipping while they were still in office. It is more probable that Meadows was granted immunity and started cooperating sometime after Jack Smith was appointed Special Counsel in Nov 2022.
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And the prosecution's response to Trump's most recent remarks targeted at Meadows.
Special counsel urges judge to reimpose Trump’s federal gag order
Prosecutors say Trump’s recent verbal attacks show he’s a threat to D.C. proceedings — and the safety of witnesses.
www.politico.com
The government's 32 page motion in opposition to the stay of the gag order is a bit of a long, slow read, but I found the following the most interesting part (on page 31).
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And the prosecution's response to Trump's most recent remarks targeted at Meadows.
Special counsel urges judge to reimpose Trump’s federal gag order
Prosecutors say Trump’s recent verbal attacks show he’s a threat to D.C. proceedings — and the safety of witnesses.
The government's 32 page motion in opposition to the stay of the gag order is a bit of a long, slow read, but I found the following the most interesting part (on page 31).
However, in the WTF column, an
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Canada also uses a one party rule. As long as one party knows the conversation is being recorded. If you are part of the conversation, you can record, without anyone else knowing.
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This drama over the speaker is just showing me that they need to split the parties from two big ones to several smaller ones that are more focused in political allegiance and beliefs. Get the trumpers out of the republicans and get the socialists out of the democrats.
I bet that would do more to stabilize the country politically than basically anything else could.
I bet that would do more to stabilize the country politically than basically anything else could.
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