A Deeply Fractured US

[RangerRay]

As for what might be going on with ICE internally since the shooting, there have been leaks.

Immigration Agents Terrified of ICE Backlash After Shooting

Leaked documents show Border Patrol needs volunteers for Minneapolis surge

www.kenklippenstein.com

Very illuminating. Thanks for sharing.

 

[RangerRay]

Can you see the difference?

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Why the hell would you take such a picture?

Yeah, there’s something off about that guy.

 

[mariomike]

Maybe the long coat makes him look taller?

 

[Good2Golf]

These guys were grabbed yesterday: ‘Worst of the worst’: ICE arrests child predator, violent criminals amid surge in anti-agent attacks

Who's arguing this??

Impressive what can be done with proper intelligence work, target build up and use of judicial warrants.

 

[brihard]

Impressive what can be done with proper intelligence work, target build up and use of judicial warrants.

It's almost like intelligence led policing that focuses on greater criminal threats is a better contributor to public safety than arbitrary quotas, eh?

 

[FSTO]

I’m wondering how many ICE agents are starting to have second thoughts about their career choice. Everybody hating you and being screamed at all day has to wear on the psyche after a while.

 

[brihard]

I’m wondering how many ICE agents are starting to have second thoughts about their career choice. Everybody hating you and being screamed at all day has to wear on the psyche after a while.

Indeed. It's going to have an impact on a lot of new agents' relations with friends and family, I suspect.

 

[HavokFour]

Very illuminating. Thanks for sharing.

Ken has been putting the mainstream to absolute shame these past months. A real honest to god journalist.

 

[Furniture]

It's a pendulum thing again. The farther something goes one way, the harder it needs to swing back to eventually correct.

This is a weak and ignorant excuse for what is happening.

The entire premise of "Western" civilization is that everybody gets fair process, otherwise it's just a winner-take-all race to the bottom. Nobody wins in that scenario, which is why both sides of the political spectrum need to start reeling in the worst actors in their own camps.

Otherwise, it just devolves into a civil war of some variety or the other...

 

[daftandbarmy]

This is a weak and ignorant excuse for what is happening.

The entire premise of "Western" civilization is that everybody gets fair process, otherwise it's just a winner-take-all race to the bottom. Nobody wins in that scenario, which is why both sides of the political spectrum need to start reeling in the worst actors in their own camps.

Otherwise, it just devolves into a civil war of some variety or the other...

'The West' you refer probably applies mainly to those jurisdictions operating under a Westminster Parliamentary system (or a derivative) which, thanks to British Colonialism, spread around the world to the 'pink parts of the map'.

In most of the rest of the world 'fair process' means something very different... par example:

Civil Law

Civil law is primarily contrasted with the English common law that influenced the legal traditions of the English-speaking countries.

Civil law (legal system) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[quadrapiper]

Can you see the difference?

The Nazi had a better tailor?

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Can you see the difference?

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Why the hell would you take such a picture?

Yes, very easily.

 

[Furniture]

Yes, very easily.

Yeah...

Take a shot of any Canadian military member in a gabardine and you have the same comparison.

ICE has it's issues, but it's green and very American uniform isn't one of them.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

This looks like good place to drop this. Perhaps this can help partially explain the vehement opposition to each other. Stuff that happens 'Out There' will fade into the next story and the world will live on. We live together in here. Mike gave us a home. No need to take a chainsaw and cut it in half.

Two Movies on One Screen: Conflicting Narratives of the Renee Good Shooting in Minnesota.

"Anyone following recent events in Minneapolis has likely noticed something strange. People watching the same videos, reading the same headlines, and reacting to the same street-level events often seem to be describing entirely different realities. Conversations quickly break down, not because people disagree about what should be done, but because they cannot even agree on what is happening. It’s as if people are watching two completely different movies on one screen.

The “two-movies-one-screen” concept was first coined by Scott Adams(RIP), the creator of Dilbert turned political commentator, to describe radically different interpretations of the same political events. People with access to the same set of facts come away with completely different understandings of what is happening. In some cases, each side seems genuinely unaware that the other interpretation even exists.

This is not merely disagreement, and it goes beyond ordinary bias. It is also not quite what psychologists usually mean by cognitive dissonance. Cognitive dissonance, first described by Leon Festinger in the 1950s, occurs when people experience psychological discomfort from holding conflicting beliefs or encountering information that contradicts their existing views, and then attempt to reduce that discomfort through rationalization or reinterpretation of the facts. In cases like the Renee Good shooting in Minnesota, however, something else seems to be happening. So, what is going on?

More at link - Two Movies on One Screen: Conflicting Narratives of the Renee Good Shooting in Minnesota

 

[FSTO]

^^
I cannot unsee how that ICE agent was so out of control when he killed that woman. The fellow agent who reached for the door of the SUV won the lottery by not being killed by the reckless behaviour of his college. That the ICE agent put two more bullets into the victim after he was clearly out of danger (not that he was in any danger at any time, except to himself), that the agent called her a fucking bitch. that he didn't provide any first aide after the car crashed, that he callously walked away like it was another day on the range, that the entire Homeland Security and White House administration have protected this and other unqualified agents over their actions, it has all resulted me in not believing a word that comes out of the mouths of anyone connected to Trump and his regime.

I will continue to point out the immoral actions of certain aspects of the US Law Enforcement apparatus and hope to god that that poison doesn't migrate north. We are not perfect here, not by a long shot but JFC at least we don't have a bunch of LARPING idiots in tactical gear running around causing chaos on our city streets. Not yet anyway.

 

[FSTO]

Yeah...

Take a shot of any Canadian military member in a gabardine and you have the same comparison.

ICE has it's issues, but it's green and very American uniform isn't one of them.

Mea Culpa.

Not an excuse, but Bovino, like the rest of the MENSA candidates in this administration are such easy targets for ridicule.

 

[HavokFour]

And now they've started blackmailing native tribes.

“The Oglala Sioux Tribe’s memorandum makes clear that ‘tribal citizens are not aliens’ and are ‘categorically outside immigration jurisdiction,’” Star Comes Out said. “Enrolled tribal members are citizens of the United States by statute and citizens of the Oglala Sioux Nation by treaty.”

Details about the circumstances that led to their detention were unclear.

In the memorandum sent to Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem, Star Comes Out said the when tribal nation reached out to the agency it was provided with only the first names of the men. Homeland Security refused to release more information, unless the tribe “entered into an immigration agreement with ICE.”

Oglala Sioux Tribe says three tribal members arrested in Minneapolis are in ICE detention

The president of the Oglala Sioux Tribe in South Dakota said three of the four tribal members detained by ICE agents in Minneapolis last week have been transferred to an ICE facility and called for their immediate release.

apnews.com

 

[HavokFour]

Uhh, what?

UPenn faculty condemn Trump administration’s demand for ‘lists of Jews’

Groups say EEOC demand for names and personal details echoes dark history and threatens safety and civil rights

www.theguardian.com

Jewish students, faculty at University of Pennsylvania seek to limit EEOC's antisemitism probe

Groups representing Jewish faculty and students at the University of Pennsylvania on Tuesday moved to block the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission from forcing the school to disclose their personal information, which they said would threaten their safety.

www.reuters.com

 

[lenaitch]

Maybe the long coat makes him look taller?

Auditioning for an upcoming Matrix re-make?

 

[brihard]

And now they've started blackmailing native tribes.

Oglala Sioux Tribe says three tribal members arrested in Minneapolis are in ICE detention

The president of the Oglala Sioux Tribe in South Dakota said three of the four tribal members detained by ICE agents in Minneapolis last week have been transferred to an ICE facility and called for their immediate release.

apnews.com

The interactions between ICE and a Native American tribe should be basically zero, unless it’s ICE asking their permission for something.