A Deeply Fractured US

[Lumber]

Interesting examples, thank you. So it's more right wing government/authority that's deranged over run of the mill right wingers?

No, it's the supporters of that government who were at one point championing states rights, freedom speech, and the sacrosanctity of the constitution that are now twisting themselves in knots to support the administration and justify their continued support.

 

[The Bread Guy]

So... Canada would be justified in blowing up trucks in the US that may be smuggling drugs?

Or boats smuggling guns?

 

[Brad Sallows]

No, it's the supporters of that government who were at one point championing states rights, freedom speech, and the sacrosanctity of the constitution that are now twisting themselves in knots to support the administration and justify their continued support.

Ie. nat-cons.

 

[HavokFour]

Long read ahead regarding the future GOP crop from several State chapters.

‘I love Hitler’: Leaked messages expose Young Republicans’ racist chat

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[daftandbarmy]

Long read ahead regarding the future GOP crop from several State chapters.

‘I love Hitler’: Leaked messages expose Young Republicans’ racist chat

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Didn't work our so well in the end for this guy either

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Im not speaking on partisan lines on this one. My observation is it seems right wingers appear more deranged as of late but there are plenty lefties that are also deranged in the US. Its undeniable that rightists are the big culprit right now in the collective US mental break, maybe its more noticeable because they hold all the levers of power.

All in the eye of the beholder. Just like your definition of partisan lines. Saying your not speaking on those lines, then immediately laying almost all ills at the feet of the right. It is not undeniable that the rightist are the big culprit. That is just your opinion.

 

[PrairieFella]

All in the eye of the beholder. Just like your definition of partisan lines. Saying your not speaking on those lines, then immediately laying almost all ills at the feet of the right. It is not undeniable that the rightist are the big culprit. That is just your opinion.

The data supports it terrorism-wise.

The Rise of Political Violence in the United States | Journal of Democracy

In a deeply polarized United States, ordinary people now consume and espouse once-radical ideas and are primed to commit violence.

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Far-rightists are far more likely to believe whacky conspiracies like QAnon, COVID conspiracies, etc.

I dont lay all of it at their feet, there are left oriented whackos too, but I stand by my observation there seems to be way more right wing nuts lately, like I said, maybe its only more noticeable since they hold all the levers of power in the USA right now. It is their country to run at the moment, judicially, legislatively amd executively. They just so happen to be looking crazy doing it.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

The attempted occupation of cities with federalized troops and the astroturfing thats being pumped out around that is a visible example at the moment. A lot of small-government, states rights advocates are glazing the federal government for sending in the army to places that dont want or need them.

It's not all one sided, nor is it an occupation. Lots of people, including in those cities, agree and welcome the troops and drop in crime. If the blue states don't like like the supposed constitutional use of federal troops, which the USSC will end up ruling on, perhaps they should clean up their crime. The murder rate in Chicago deserves attention as the city government ignores it. Red cities are also on the list to be visited

 

[daftandbarmy]

The data supports it terrorism-wise.

The Rise of Political Violence in the United States | Journal of Democracy

In a deeply polarized United States, ordinary people now consume and espouse once-radical ideas and are primed to commit violence.

www.journalofdemocracy.org

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Far-rightists are far more likely to believe whacky conspiracies like QAnon, COVID conspiracies, etc.

I dont lay all of it at their feet, there are left oriented whackos too, but I stand by my observation there seems to be way more right wing nuts lately, like I said, maybe its only more noticeable since they hold all the levers of power in the USA right now. It is their country to run at the moment, judicially, legislatively amd executively. They just so happen to be looking crazy doing it.

Since we've drifted into the realm of graphs related to casualty causing threats... FWIW

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[Brad Sallows]

The data supports it terrorism-wise.

But what do the data measure?

"...defined here (following the violence-prevention organization Over Zero) as physical harm or intimidation that affects who benefits from or can participate fully in political, economic, or sociocultural life."

"Intimidation" covers a lot of ground. Based on some of the incidents mentioned in the essay, it would include all of the threats, doxxing, etc going on. For example, every individual such act against a LEO, for which neither "left" nor "right" currently has a good track record. Also, if "one riot" and "one threat" each count as "one incident", it's obvious the data aren't much use.

More use would be counts of actual shootings, bombings, riots, etc. What would be a lot? Apparently the FLQ alone did over 200 bombings (presumably all in Canada) during its run in the 1960s, and I've read claims that the US was averaging 5 a day at the height of domestic unrest in the late '60s and early '70s.