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A Deeply Fractured US

Interesting examples, thank you. So it's more right wing government/authority that's deranged over run of the mill right wingers?
No, it's the supporters of that government who were at one point championing states rights, freedom speech, and the sacrosanctity of the constitution that are now twisting themselves in knots to support the administration and justify their continued support.
 
No, it's the supporters of that government who were at one point championing states rights, freedom speech, and the sacrosanctity of the constitution that are now twisting themselves in knots to support the administration and justify their continued support.
Ie. nat-cons.
 
Im not speaking on partisan lines on this one. My observation is it seems right wingers appear more deranged as of late but there are plenty lefties that are also deranged in the US. Its undeniable that rightists are the big culprit right now in the collective US mental break, maybe its more noticeable because they hold all the levers of power.

All in the eye of the beholder. Just like your definition of partisan lines. Saying your not speaking on those lines, then immediately laying almost all ills at the feet of the right. It is not undeniable that the rightist are the big culprit. That is just your opinion.
 
All in the eye of the beholder. Just like your definition of partisan lines. Saying your not speaking on those lines, then immediately laying almost all ills at the feet of the right. It is not undeniable that the rightist are the big culprit. That is just your opinion.
The data supports it terrorism-wise.


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Far-rightists are far more likely to believe whacky conspiracies like QAnon, COVID conspiracies, etc.

I dont lay all of it at their feet, there are left oriented whackos too, but I stand by my observation there seems to be way more right wing nuts lately, like I said, maybe its only more noticeable since they hold all the levers of power in the USA right now. It is their country to run at the moment, judicially, legislatively amd executively. They just so happen to be looking crazy doing it.🤷‍♂️
 
The attempted occupation of cities with federalized troops and the astroturfing thats being pumped out around that is a visible example at the moment. A lot of small-government, states rights advocates are glazing the federal government for sending in the army to places that dont want or need them.
It's not all one sided, nor is it an occupation. Lots of people, including in those cities, agree and welcome the troops and drop in crime. If the blue states don't like like the supposed constitutional use of federal troops, which the USSC will end up ruling on, perhaps they should clean up their crime. The murder rate in Chicago deserves attention as the city government ignores it. Red cities are also on the list to be visited
 
The data supports it terrorism-wise.


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Far-rightists are far more likely to believe whacky conspiracies like QAnon, COVID conspiracies, etc.

I dont lay all of it at their feet, there are left oriented whackos too, but I stand by my observation there seems to be way more right wing nuts lately, like I said, maybe its only more noticeable since they hold all the levers of power in the USA right now. It is their country to run at the moment, judicially, legislatively amd executively. They just so happen to be looking crazy doing it.🤷‍♂️

Since we've drifted into the realm of graphs related to casualty causing threats... FWIW

 
The data supports it terrorism-wise.
But what do the data measure?

"...defined here (following the violence-prevention organization Over Zero) as physical harm or intimidation that affects who benefits from or can participate fully in political, economic, or sociocultural life."

"Intimidation" covers a lot of ground. Based on some of the incidents mentioned in the essay, it would include all of the threats, doxxing, etc going on. For example, every individual such act against a LEO, for which neither "left" nor "right" currently has a good track record. Also, if "one riot" and "one threat" each count as "one incident", it's obvious the data aren't much use.

More use would be counts of actual shootings, bombings, riots, etc. What would be a lot? Apparently the FLQ alone did over 200 bombings (presumably all in Canada) during its run in the 1960s, and I've read claims that the US was averaging 5 a day at the height of domestic unrest in the late '60s and early '70s.
 
The data supports it terrorism-wise.


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Far-rightists are far more likely to believe whacky conspiracies like QAnon, COVID conspiracies, etc.

I dont lay all of it at their feet, there are left oriented whackos too, but I stand by my observation there seems to be way more right wing nuts lately, like I said, maybe its only more noticeable since they hold all the levers of power in the USA right now. It is their country to run at the moment, judicially, legislatively amd executively. They just so happen to be looking crazy doing it.🤷‍♂️

I don't think any of these people are 'rightists'. It seems pretty obvious that the city councils and police have lost control and can't respond to this. Mostly in blue states. I'll bet you won't find many store owners that are pissed about NG troops patrolling the streets.
"Way more right wing nuts?" Would that be the myriad of assassins that have been attempting and in some cases succeeding in killing people? Or the right wing nuts, looting in the video? Or the Schumer democrats trying to extort lawmakers for over a trillion bucks and shutting down the government as their means of getting it? Or maybe it's the right wing nuts that accomplished approx 8 ceasefire/ peace deals and at least paused, if not outright ended, that many wars in the last 10 months? Or finally have the ME in agreement with each other and willing to work together? Those right wing whackos?

If you want dangerous whackos, that wreaked havoc on the world and the USA, you need only look back as far as the previous administration.
 
So now Steven Miller, Trumps Deputy Chief of Staff, has just told the police officers and their guns are " unleashed"
But what do the data measure?

"...defined here (following the violence-prevention organization Over Zero) as physical harm or intimidation that affects who benefits from or can participate fully in political, economic, or sociocultural life."

"Intimidation" covers a lot of ground. Based on some of the incidents mentioned in the essay, it would include all of the threats, doxxing, etc going on. For example, every individual such act against a LEO, for which neither "left" nor "right" currently has a good track record. Also, if "one riot" and "one threat" each count as "one incident", it's obvious the data aren't much use.

More use would be counts of actual shootings, bombings, riots, etc. What would be a lot? Apparently the FLQ alone did over 200 bombings (presumably all in Canada) during its run in the 1960s, and I've read claims that the US was averaging 5 a day at the height of domestic unrest in the late '60s and early '70s.
I start by saying that our human memories are without a doubt very imperfect. That being said….I lived in Montreal during the whole FLQ crisis…and I do remember the bombings, especially the mailboxes which we all kept away from. With the previous sentence in mind, I don’t remember the frequency of the bombing being as high as 200 but I do stand to be corrected. As for the US averaging 5 bombings a day at the height of the domestic unrest during the 60s and 70s……not buying it. While there were bombings related to civil unrest, the anti-vietnam war movement, the Weathermen stand out for example, there is no way it was as high as 5 a day. I seriously doubt it was even as high as 5 a month in relation to actual civil unrest. I’m betting those numbers are being inflated by includeing bombings directed at underworld figures by their compatriots/competitors, criminals using bombing/arson as a tool for blackmail/protection rackets, such as has been going on in Montreal recently….and lets not forget spouses and/or business partners trying to remove their partner from the partnership.
 
As for the US averaging 5 bombings a day at the height of the domestic unrest during the 60s and 70s……not buying it. While there were bombings related to civil unrest, the anti-vietnam war movement, the Weathermen stand out for example, there is no way it was as high as 5 a day.
Is the claim plausible?

One example: "The hearing, part of an investigated led Senator John L. McClellan, Democrat of Arkansas, concluded that from January 1969 to April 1970, the United States sustained 4,330 bombings — 3,355 of them incendiary, 975 explosive — resulting in 43 deaths and $21.8 million in property damage."

That would be close to 10 a day in that time frame.
 
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