A Deeply Fractured World

[Fishbone Jones]

Which politicians were tied to those items you mentioned? Please provide names?

Edit:
And I’m talking about personal enrichment, not signing off on that crap.

Go back and look for yourself. You don’t need names to know it happened. Some time watching Question Period over the last 10 years shows you it happened.

Trudeau put everything under Cabinet Confidence whenever the heat was turned up.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Curious that Biden is not on the list.

Really accomplished grifters start "foundations" and then use the "foundations" much as some people use their companies to buy "company cars".

The Trudeau Foundation.

 

[ytz]

This.

The US wasn't just defending the free world. They were creating the conditions for their form of capitalism. Which benefitted mostly them.

They also weren't paying for NATO to be nice (and they were paying for it). They were paying for it so they could control it. And thereby control Europe.

Everytime the Americans exported freedom somewhere McDonald's, Coca-Cola, Levis and Nike followed. It's been a minute since the Cold War, but people forget how much of a status symbol American brands were. And everything culturally American. From American cars to Hollywood movies. Even today, the world will watch YouTube videos on their iPhones while sipping Starbucks and flying on a Boeing to their next vacation. Being all about free markets enabled this. But if they become transactional like Russia and China, it's hard to imagine how this kind of model can be sustained.

 

[Lumber]

So its only a crime if it hits a certain threshold? Arrivescam, green slush fund, canadian investment bank not rich enough for you?

It is near that level if you take population and amounts in relation.

Full stop.

Ugh, not the f***ing green slush fund again. That's been thoroughly debunked.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

The only comment I’ll make here is in regards to the ‘Marxist state’ comment, as I know you’re from Windsor like I am originally, funny that Windsor routinely fields Marxist-Leninist candidates in pretty much every single Federal elections since 1984 onwards.

So what? What are you implying here, have you got a point?

Just like the Rhinoceros Party. They don’t have a snowballs chance in hell. They just want to participate in the process. Not just Windsor either. 35 candidates country wide for a total of 4995 votes. Hardly a cause for concern.

I'll also ask, in the future, that you not use any personal info about me on the open boards.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Ugh, not the f***ing green slush fund again. That's been thoroughly debunked.

Not according to the AG Report. Millions of dollars, handed out by liberals, broke conflict of interest rules with liberal MPs funneling money to companies they were connected with. That is only one point of government malfeasance. There are many more listed. Tell me, how much of that money was recovered?

So not so much debunked as clarified and confirmed by the Attorney General

Anyway, we're getting off the original topic so I will abstain from any further derail.

 

[Lumber]

Not according to the AG Report. Millions of dollars, handed out by liberals, broke conflict of interest rules with liberal MPs funneling money to companies they were connected with. That is only one point of government malfeasance. There are many more listed. Tell me, how much of that money was recovered?

So not so much debunked as clarified and confirmed by the Attorney General

Anyway, we're getting off the original topic so I will abstain from any further derai

All of that is true except for the part where liberals were involved in any sort of "money funneling". No liberals were involved in where the money went. The government wasn't involved at all in where the money went. Even @cbh can back me up on this one. And the reason this is "on topic" is that if you are still using this is an example of "clear cut government corruption", despite all the research on I've shared on this site, then I question the validity of any of your claims of knowledge of corruption.

 

[MrWhyt]

Ilhan Ohmar - net worth $30 million. Up from one million just a few years ago. You don’t need to be POTUS.

Citation needed

 

[ytz]

How China Wins the Future

Beijing’s strategy to seize the new frontiers of power.

www.foreignaffairs.com

 

[OldSolduer]

So all the time we in the CAF were told we had to be ethical…by politicians who may or may not have been.
Hmmm makes you wonder why we joined somedays.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Citation needed

Rep. Ilhan Omar’s net worth skyrockets to as much as $30 million – months after denying she was a millionaire

The disclosure, filed in May, shows the far-left “Squad” lawmaker and her husband, Tim Mynett, experienced a roughly 3,500% increase in net worth last year, compared to 2023.

nypost.com

 

[MrWhyt]

reported a net worth of up to $30 million

so not $30 million but a max of $30 million, and it could be as low as $6 million. And those numbers represent her husband's businesses. Sounds like her husband is a successful business man, I thought that was a good thing?

 

[Brad Sallows]

Everytime the Americans exported freedom somewhere McDonald's, Coca-Cola, Levis and Nike followed. It's been a minute since the Cold War, but people forget how much of a status symbol American brands were. And everything culturally American. From American cars to Hollywood movies. Even today, the world will watch YouTube videos on their iPhones while sipping Starbucks and flying on a Boeing to their next vacation. Being all about free markets enabled this. But if they become transactional like Russia and China, it's hard to imagine how this kind of model can be sustained.

The US doesn't have to "export freedom"; it never had to, but especially does not have to in the internet age. "Exporting freedom" was an excuse for the interventionism that eventually pissed off enough independents and Republicans to shift the political ground. (The Democrats were mostly always already there; for decades almost every attempt to "export freedom" was characterized by them as propping up right-wing regimes to resist the global march of the wonders of socialism.)

All the US needs is for US companies to do whatever it is they do.

 

[Brad Sallows]

China may or may not succeed at what it is trying to do, which is create vassals. This works approximately until the vassal has to choose between paying the Chinese master or ending the squeeze on its own people that is necessary to pay the Chinese master (in order to prevent being torn apart by its own people).

China is more likely to end up with a lot of sunk capital abroad and not much to show for it.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Curious that Biden is not on the list.

Really accomplished grifters start "foundations" and then use the "foundations" much as some people use their companies to buy "company cars".

Only because I forgot to include Biden, but yeah, I missed the all memes saying how good a businessman he was, too, if he came away from the presidency worth more than when he came in.

 

[ytz]

China may or may not succeed at what it is trying to do, which is create vassals. This works approximately until the vassal has to choose between paying the Chinese master or ending the squeeze on its own people that is necessary to pay the Chinese master (in order to prevent being torn apart by its own people).

China is more likely to end up with a lot of sunk capital abroad and not much to show for it.

Except that the US is now doing exactly what the Chinese do. And less competently I might add. Beyond the Pacific, the Chinese don't seem to care much about values or geopolitics. Whatever gets them a trade surplus is the general rule.

It's not that the Americans exported freedom. I was being a bit sarcastic. It's that they supported free markets and free speech. Increasingly though, Trump and co want to adopt the Chinese model. And they are doing so just as the world is starting to reject the Chinese model. This article recently is making the rounds on the crux of the problem:

China is making trade impossible China is making trade impossible

The Americans adopting the same strategy will fail. And it won't leave them stronger. It's just going to cede more political room to China and probably make the world poorer.

Going back to the actual topic of this thread, let's not pretend this Administration is serious. They spent pages in their National Security Strategy talking about "Civilizational Collapse" in Europe, a continent where war is raging due to Russian aggression. To say they have lost the plot is an understatement. We need to stop pretending we have serious counterparties there to deal with.

 

[Remius]

Except that the US is now doing exactly what the Chinese do. And less competently I might add. Beyond the Pacific, the Chinese don't seem to care much about values or geopolitics. Whatever gets them a trade surplus is the general rule.

I would add industrial espionage and tech/IP theft.

It's not that the Americans exported freedom. I was being a bit sarcastic. It's that they supported free markets and free speech. Increasingly though, Trump and co want to adopt the Chinese model. And they are doing so just as the world is starting to reject the Chinese model. This article recently is making the rounds on the crux of the problem:

China is making trade impossible China is making trade impossible

The Americans adopting the same strategy will fail. And it won't leave them stronger. It's just going to cede more political room to China and probably make the world poorer.

We are already seeing the world view them in a similar fashion to China. I imagine at the end of the the Trump term that this view will be cemented.

Going back to the actual topic of this thread, let's not pretend this Administration is serious. They spent pages in their National Security Strategy talking about "Civilizational Collapse" in Europe, a continent where war is raging due to Russian aggression. To say they have lost the plot is an understatement. We need to stop pretending we have serious counterparties there to deal with.

The lunatics are running the asylum. We are seeing the results.

 

[Halifax Tar]

There's a specific turning point in all the polling that you can identify when America broke. 2003. Before the invasion of Iraq most polls said America was moving in the right direction.. Post-invasion Americans haven't had a single year where those polls said the country was moving in the right direction.

Iraq is the gift that keeps on giving. And unfortunately all the people involved in selling that terrible decision were mostly rehabilitated in public. Just imagine what the trillions wasted on Iraq could have done for the average American. Or how Afghanistan would have turned out if the Americans weren't distracted with Iraq.

The folks who convinced that nation and those who followed to invade Iraq in 2003 should be tried, drawn and quartered.

I have no empirical evidence, but having lived through that time I can say 9/11 and the Iraq invasion of 2003 is where all this started... Its where the world world changed and led us here...

 

[ytz]

The folks who convinced that nation and those who followed to invade Iraq in 2003 should be tried, drawn and quartered.

I have no empirical evidence, but having lived through that time I can say 9/11 and the Iraq invasion of 2003 is where all this started... Its where the world world changed and led us here...

Aside from what I said about polling. Since Iraq, the US has lurched from one crisis to the next and increasingly with fewer resources to address any of this.

 

[ytz]

Matt Gurney: 'We will never fucking trust you again'

Some blunt talk for our American neighbours at the Halifax International Security Forum.

substack.com

This really is an excellent piece. And I get the sense that a lot of people commenting in this thread haven't read it. That Americans are forbidden from attending global forums is some BS. That they are surprised that the rest of the world is calling out their shit is actually kinda funny. That even Democratic politicians are surprised is almost shocking to me. How ignorant could they be?