Booter
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Active Shooter / Hostile Event ( ASHE ) prevention / response
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Looks like the shooterâs online life has been largely identified and dissected. Taking these at face value, thereâs an ugly and increasingly familiar picture of a really, really screwed up kid who fell deeper into online nihilistic radicalization.
First, a solid article by the New York Times; I believe this has been gifted, I was able to read it sans paywall: Canada School Shooterâs Online Life Showed Interest in Violent Extremism
Second, a Twitter thread by Becca Spinks, who independently researches and basically hunts down online extremists. She very much knows her shit in this space:
First, a solid article by the New York Times; I believe this has been gifted, I was able to read it sans paywall: Canada School Shooterâs Online Life Showed Interest in Violent Extremism
Second, a Twitter thread by Becca Spinks, who independently researches and basically hunts down online extremists. She very much knows her shit in this space:
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Good catch on both of these. And for anyone who can't get thru to the NY Times piece, here's someplace else to check: https://archive.is/x9LcN
Here's a few more bits of the public record on the shooter's life via The Canadian Press & CTV News:
Documents, social media reveal Tumbler Ridge shooter's lifestyle
A picture of the troubled life of Tumbler Ridge, B.C., shooter Jesse Van Rootselaar is emerging, with a court ruling depicting her familyâs ânomadic lifestyleâ and a gaming company removing her account, which was used to create a shopping mall massacre simulation. Online platform Roblox said in...
halifax.citynews.ca
Tumbler Ridge shooterâs family led âalmost nomadic lifeâ during childhood: judge
The perpetrator of this weekâs mass shooting at the high school in Tumbler Ridge, B.C., led âan almost nomadic lifeâ as a young child, according to a 2015 B.C. Supreme Court decision in a family law case.
www.ctvnews.ca
Sadly (like most of human life, I guess), a complicated-enough stew of factors that will allow the usual suspects of all camps to pick their fave contributing factor, politically meme the shit out of it, and ignore/downplay the whole interplay of more than one issue
daftandbarmy
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Statement from shooter's estranged father:
www.ctvnews.ca
Father of B.C. mass shooting suspect shares statement
The father of the suspect in this weekâs horrific mass shooting in Tumbler Ridge, B.C., has issued a statement on the tragedy.
www.ctvnews.ca
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A lesson learned should be that online radicalization is an equal opportunity employer.
Unfortunately our society is in a place where a tragedy like this immediately has many racing to affirm some kind of proof of their views (see, trans kids are dangerous/see, straight white males are violent/ see, immigrants are violent).
The Alberta separation online crew wasted no time in taking this tragedy and trying to capitalize on it.
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With the opposing camp saying âLookit all the guns,â right?
Like I said, just enough to weaponize the issue of choice (no pun intended).I can't recall a mass shooting incident involving young people that did not have social media interaction as a root cause. Regardless of the risk of trampling on their "rights" perhaps a ban as Australia has done might be in order. Perhaps a better solution than trying to ban firearms.With the opposing camp saying âLookit all the guns,â right?
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Honestly, to me the biggest issue is the online nihilistic violent extremist recruiting that is the main issue. The mental health issues and access to guns was the kindling to that spark.
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Nihilistic violent extremism - Wikipedia
764 (organization) - Wikipedia
No Lives Matter - Wikipedia
daftandbarmy
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With the opposing camp saying âLookit all the guns,â right?
Speaking of weapons, my guess is that this issue will grow quickly into a messy brush fire for all levels of government next week ...
Why were confiscated guns returned to home of suspect before Tumbler Ridge shooting?
Police say we may never know the motive for Tuesday's mass shooting, but the key to the investigation is knowing why guns were returned to the shooter's home.
Questions are being raised about why guns confiscated from the home of the suspected killer in Tuesdayâs Tumbler Ridge mass shooting were returned before the attack.
Those unanswered questions come as Jesse Van Rootselaarâs well-documented history of mental illness becomes more apparentâa history that included visits from police and a detention under the Mental Health Act.
Elenore Sturko, former RCMP officer and Independent MLA for Surrey-Cloverdale, noted that when someoneâs guns are confiscated, it is their âlegal right then to make an application to have those firearms returned.â
âSo for what reason they were returned, what arguments were made, who those firearms belonged to and whether or not they were the firearms used in this attack, those are questions that need to be answered,â she said.
Why were confiscated guns returned to home of suspect before Tumbler Ridge shooting?
Questions are being raised about why guns confiscated from the home of the suspected killer in Tuesdayâs Tumbler Ridge mass shooting were returned before the attack.
www.ctvnews.ca
I hate to say it but returning the weapons is in keeping with our catch and release justice system.Speaking of weapons, my guess is that this issue will grow quickly into a messy brush fire for all levels of government next week ...
Why were confiscated guns returned to home of suspect before Tumbler Ridge shooting?
Police say we may never know the motive for Tuesday's mass shooting, but the key to the investigation is knowing why guns were returned to the shooter's home.
Questions are being raised about why guns confiscated from the home of the suspected killer in Tuesdayâs Tumbler Ridge mass shooting were returned before the attack.
Those unanswered questions come as Jesse Van Rootselaarâs well-documented history of mental illness becomes more apparentâa history that included visits from police and a detention under the Mental Health Act.
Elenore Sturko, former RCMP officer and Independent MLA for Surrey-Cloverdale, noted that when someoneâs guns are confiscated, it is their âlegal right then to make an application to have those firearms returned.â
âSo for what reason they were returned, what arguments were made, who those firearms belonged to and whether or not they were the firearms used in this attack, those are questions that need to be answered,â she said.
Why were confiscated guns returned to home of suspect before Tumbler Ridge shooting?
Questions are being raised about why guns confiscated from the home of the suspected killer in Tuesdayâs Tumbler Ridge mass shooting were returned before the attack.
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The reasoning behind why firearms were returned to a home where someone had rampant mental health issues, has been taken into custody multiple times by police and temporarily committed to a hospital, should be investigated.
I'm not sure what authority would approve their return (RCMP, CFO, judge?) but anyone with half a brain should have looked at that file and history and saw how important it was not to have firearms in that household.
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Would the current rules allow that kind of discretion, even if the license holder isn't the one with mental health history? Or is it a "catch & release"/"not enough of a clear problem to keep holding onto the stuff" thing as mentioned by @YZT580 ?
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No shortage of stuff out there being discussed, for sure.Honestly, to me the biggest issue is the online nihilistic violent extremist recruiting that is the main issue. The mental health issues and access to guns was the kindling to that spark.
Nihilistic violent extremism - Wikipedia
764 (organization) - Wikipedia
No Lives Matter - Wikipedia
Booter
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Iâm shocked when Canadians are shocked their laws work in a way that the police arenât allowed to just hang on to things forever.
The firearms lawful owner petitioned, which would be not police making the disposition, for their return- the local police would follow whatever disposition they had usually requiring a licenced person to take control of them as per the regulations on storage etc.
We had firearms disposition hearings quite often up north and it is my experience that it ends with someone taking control of the firearms not with their destruction. In my experience itâs a family member or a friend who then explains they have a plan for where they will move the firearms or a person they can have store them.
They then, shockingly, donât keep their word.
The firearms lawful owner petitioned, which would be not police making the disposition, for their return- the local police would follow whatever disposition they had usually requiring a licenced person to take control of them as per the regulations on storage etc.
We had firearms disposition hearings quite often up north and it is my experience that it ends with someone taking control of the firearms not with their destruction. In my experience itâs a family member or a friend who then explains they have a plan for where they will move the firearms or a person they can have store them.
They then, shockingly, donât keep their word.
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It's plausible the mom argued:
-I don't have a criminal record
-I didn't commit a crime
-I am the only one with access to my firearms
Edit: Booter beat me
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I honestly asked because not owning a firearm myself, I didn't know the gritty details of the rules/process - thanks for the rest of the story.
So, a few mechanisms exist to seize firearms without a charge. My best guess in this case is a S.117.04 Criminal Code application by police for a public safety firearms warrant. When we do those, the firearms, while held by police, fall under the jurisdiction of the courts. An application for return is made to and decided by the courts. Police and crown can make representations but we donât make the decision.
Update from Mounties: four firearms under investigation. A shotgun used at the residence was never previously seized by police. A firearm described as "believed to be the one that caused the most significant damage" at the school has never been previously seized by police.
So it looks like âwhy were the guns returned?â, while still a valid and important question, is not going to be determinative of why this happened like it did. The shooter had access to at least two more firearms. Iâve heard some stuff on that but Iâll wait and see what becomes public.
In the presser the RCMP commander in B.C. Said the records pertaining to the earlier firearms seizure are sealed. Thatâs not surprising. We routinely obtain sealing orders for the grounds used to obtain various warrants and orders on various grounds. Protecting someoneâs medical privacy could be one, as could an ongoing investigation.
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The mother was apparently the owner of the known firearms at the residence. Her PAL was reported to have allegedly been expired. The question now is why were the firearms not seized for unlawful possession? That's simple. Peoples PALs, drivers licenses, health cards, gym memberships expire all the time and they don't realize it until the need arises for that document. The RCMP's Continuous Eligibility Screening would not have flagged it as expired without a triggering law enforcement interaction being entered in a contributing police information system.
