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Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )

I think I can answer a few of your questions:

For training, have you checked out this? http://www.forces.ca/en/job/aircombatsystemsofficer-30#info-1

I'm not too sure about the difficulty compared to Pilot, but I'm pretty sure there's a test you have to complete along with the regular recruiting process.

I'm pretty sure benefits of the Reserves have been discussed quite frequently here... Have you tried a search? I recommend you do a search of the site with your other questions too, there will be answers from people with much more experience and knowledge than I.

Good luck  :)
 
As an ACSO student now I can say that post 2012, there are new courses for ACSOs, and it will last 7 months as current courses lasts an avg of 10-14 months

Difficulty: 2 different things.  Pilots flies and have their training, we learn to direct missions.  We fly as crew but DO NOT TOUCH any piloting controls.

As a previous MPO in reserves, your general knowledge on the Cf and its rules/admin/etc...will help but for going from land to aircrew trade they are very different...PM me for my email as it is easier to discuss there...good luck
 
So I passed the ACSO Tests today. The recruiter told me I have a very high chance of getting into ROTP now because it was my first choice and the failure rate is fairly high. Can anybody confirm/deny this? If my chances are increased, how many spots are available for ACSO applicants?

Thank You!

PS I thought I would put this in here, rather than starting a 4th ACSO thread.
 
It's very difficult to say how many ACSO spots are open right now.  AFAIK, pilot is currently closed to most entry programs, but the number of people being recruited into trades does depend on entry programs (ROTP, DEO, CEOTP, etc).  The only ones that know for sure are the recruiting office and B/WPSOs (Personnel Selection Officers).

I would imagine there aren't too many ACSO slots open right now.  I know that there are people loaded on courses out to 2015, but I can't say for sure how full each of the courses is.
 
Bowen said:
So I passed the ACSO Tests today. The recruiter told me I have a very high chance of getting into ROTP now because it was my first choice and the failure rate is fairly high. Can anybody confirm/deny this? If my chances are increased, how many spots are available for ACSO applicants?

I was told the exact same thing.  Kind of makes you wonder how many people they're saying that kind of thing to.
 
Hi, nickanick.  I think I can help you out.

I'm an ACSO...or as I prefer, nav (I was trained as a nav, so that's what I call myself) with 13 years in.  I spent six years as a Herc nav then specialised as an EWO to fly backseat on the Alpha Jet (EWO is an ACSO specialty, like transport/LRP/MH/SAR, if you're wondering), which I did for four years.

When I went through CFANS, the course was 9 months on paper but took about a year to complete.  Flight scheduling, rewrites, lecturer availability etc all cause delays.  I started in August and got my wings in July.  I heard that the course will be shortened, like bouncer said, as they're removing some things from the basic course and moving them to the appropriate OTU courses.

It's difficult to directly compare the ACSO basic course to the pilot course(s).  Neither training path is easy, they're just different.  The ACSO basic course deals with a lot of the same basic material, we just don't study as much on aerodynamics and aircraft handling and study more mission planning & direction, and the only stick time is during the 2 week introductory phase in Portage - if they still do that.  Though to expand on what bouncer said, some ACSOs are expected to do some piloting once qualified on their aircraft (i.e. EWOs, as the jet has only two seats and no autopilot).

Failure rate is pretty high in both.  Selection just gets you in the door because you've shown the aptitude.  Your training is where you prove yourself.  When I was at CFANS, we had classes of eight, and five graduated on average.  I understand the percentages are similar for pilot, but I could be wrong.

From there you go to your OTU course, but that's a story for another thread.

As far as getting into the trade goes, it depends on a number of factors.  How many slots there are depends on actual manning versus projected versus minimum required.  From there, they allocate some to each entry programme based on a plan that I won't pretend to understand.  I entered as a DEO since I already had my degree.  When I applied, the recruiters told me it looked good, but advised me that more new applicants were being processed all the time, so if I didn't get called within about a year then it may not happen.  I got offered a spot about three months after finishing ACS, so I guess I did okay.

To give you perspective, we have about 500-600 ACSOs according to the last career manager brief.  I don't remember how many we lose each year, but I think guys typically stay in for a 20-to-25-year stint, so do the math and that'll give you a rough indication of how many enter.  Some leave after obligatory service, some stay in for the full 35 years, some switch trades, but I'd say 20ish years is a good average.

Hope this helps.  If anyone has better info, feel free to chime in.

Cheers
 
Echo what CdnEWO said, but I'll add that ACSO courses are international, ie. not all students in your course are Canadian.  That can possibly prolong your wait for 1 CFFTS. 
 
Dimsum said:
Echo what CdnEWO said, but I'll add that ACSO courses are international, ie. not all students in your course are Canadian.  That can possibly prolong your wait for 1 CFFTS.

That won't prolong the wait.  International students are only taken when there is excess training capacity.  If we need ACSOs there won't be international students loaded on the course.  AFAIK, the next ACSO course has the last international student for the foreseeable future, as we are getting to the point where we are unable to generate the required number of ACSOs at the school.  Our next graduating course has a student starting an OTU about 2 weeks after their grad, an OTU that has up until now had a substantial wait period.
 
Glad to hear that OTU waits have gone down.  At the time I graduated I did really well, started the Herc OTU less than two months after grad.  That was pretty fast at the time.  Some of my contemporaries waited nearly a year...and I hear that's been pretty common lately.
 
Thanks so much for the replies guys. You gave me lots of insights about the process of becoming an ASCO.
A little off track question.
What kind of positions are eligible to work on broad as an aircrew?
Because I would like to consider those as backup plans.
 
nickanick said:
Thanks so much for the replies guys. You gave me lots of insights about the process of becoming an ASCO.
A little off track question.
What kind of positions are eligible to work on broad as an aircrew?
Because I would like to consider those as backup plans.

Do you mean other aircrew trades onboard?  If so, then Pilot (obviously) and AESOP right off the street.  As for transfer trades, depending on the type of aircraft there could be SAR TECH, Flight Engineer, Loadmaster, Flight Steward...
 
Dimsum said:
Do you mean other aircrew trades onboard?  If so, then Pilot (obviously) and AESOP right off the street.  As for transfer trades, depending on the type of aircraft there could be SAR TECH, Flight Engineer, Loadmaster, Flight Steward...

I thought asco would work on board as well.
 
nickanick said:
I thought asco would work on board as well.

Yes they do.  When you said that you wanted to consider backup trades, I thought you meant "trades other than ACSO." 
 
Dimsum said:
Yes they do.  When you said that you wanted to consider backup trades, I thought you meant "trades other than ACSO." 

Oops. Sorry, my mistakes. Thanks!!

I heard AESOp is only for CT or OT from my recruiter,
I wonder if I can do a CT from Artil res to AESOp reg.

Any AESOp here can share some of their daily routine?
 
I would ask the recruiter to look at AES Op again.  I am pretty sure they opened it up to regular recruitment last year.  They may have changed it back to OT only, but I haven't seen anything that would make me think that.
 
Griffon said:
  They may have changed it back to OT only, but I haven't seen anything that would make me think that.

We have not changed it back, that i know of but that being said, we are full.
 
AESOp is a trade normally  open to both Direct Entry and Component Transfer/Remuster candidates.

The problem is, as Cdn Aviator has pointed out, the trade is full (or more precisely, the training pipeline is full).  Therefore, for now, no Direct Entry candidates.
 
I heard that the AESOP trade and Flight Attendant were merging into one.  That might explain why DEO is closed.
 
Zoomie said:
I heard that the AESOP trade and Flight Attendant were merging into one.

I also heard that you volunteered to kiss my ***.
 
Thanks for all the comments guys!

However since I wont be CT till at least 2012-2013, I hope by than the trade will open up  :p
But in the mean time, I really want to equip myself.
What kinda of degree, certification or job experience would put me on to the "top" merit list or waiting list?
For both ACSO and AESOp.
Or just a better chance to get in.

I did research about those jobs from official site,
so I'm hoping for answers that will be more specific.

Thanks again guys!!


thx for the correction!
 
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