Alberta government thread

[Quirky]

If parents care about their children who happen to be transgender, they would move the hell out of that province.

Full stop. It's literally that black and white.

Don't let the door hit them on their way out. If that's the hill they are willing to die on, they are free to search for greener pastures. The 99.9998% of Alberta will keep on keeping on.

 

[Altair]

And I suppose also NZ, USA, UK, Norway, Finland, and Sweden. Running out of nice places to live.

Thankfully, there are 9 other provinces that aren't absolutely horrible

 

[QV]

Thankfully, there are 9 other provinces that aren't absolutely horrible

Curious, what other countries are not absolutely horrible?

 

[Altair]

Don't let the door hit them on their way out. If that's the hill they are willing to die on, they are free to search for greener pastures. The 99.9998% of Alberta will keep on keeping on.

Well being of their child is a pretty damn good hill to die on.

‘We’ll be moving’: Alberta transgender children, families brace for legal changes

Soon, Premier Danielle Smith is expected to invoke the notwithstanding clause to ban gender-affirming care for children.

www.thestar.com

EDMONTON - Football decals plaster the walls of his bedroom. A San Francisco 49ers bedspread and a binder full of trading cards make it clear the seven-year-old loves sports.
His mother says teachers know him to be kind, and kids in his class gravitate toward him. He wants to be an accountant.
He is also transgender and has identified as a boy since he could speak.
Because his family lives in Alberta, where Premier Danielle Smith is expected to invoke the notwithstanding clause to ban gender-affirming care for children like him, he’ll be forced to go through female puberty.
“We’ll be moving if she enacts that. For the safety of our child,” says his mother.

The seven-year-old loves watching Edmonton Oilers games with his dad.
His mother describes the family as “rednecks” in northern Alberta and says she tried to persuade and manipulate him to identify as a girl, the sex he was assigned at birth, “hoping it would go away.”
It took a long time for her to accept what he was telling her, she says.
He’s too young to start taking puberty blocking medication. But waiting until he turns 16 isn’t an option, says his mother, as irreversible physical changes come with puberty.
She says the family may have to choose between leaving Alberta to access puberty blockers down the road, or staying and watching the boy confront a higher risk of suicide and mental health challenges.
“That really hurts my heart to think about my kids growing up without their cousins and their grandparents,” she says of moving.

 

[Altair]

Curious, what other countries are not absolutely horrible?

Spain, France, 9 other provinces in Canada, Belgium, Netherlands, Austria, Croatia, Thailand, Uraguay off the top of my head

 

[Jarnhamar]

great so kids should be allowed to get gender affirming care if their parents and doctors agree.

7 year olds seem mature enough to me to decide their gender and get prescribed puberty blockers. I'd say as young as 5 even.

 

[Altair]

7 year olds seem mature enough to me to decide their gender and get prescribed puberty blockers. I'd say as young as 5 even.

Well, it seems pretty stupid to me to block something that wouldn't have begun yet.

Unless you had a different experience? Growing a beard at age 7 were you? Not an insult, just curious.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Well, it seems pretty stupid to me to block something that wouldn't have begun yet.

Unless you had a different experience? Growing a beard at age 7 were you? Not an insult, just curious.

Do children aged 5 to 7 ever start puberty?

 

[Altair]

Do children aged 5 to 7 ever start puberty?

precocious puberty is a medical condition.

In some cases, puberty blockers are used until a later age to allow a kid a normal childhood.

I would hope this isn't blocked in Alberta as well, but considering this is being decided by politicians and not doctors, I won't hold my breath

 

[Jarnhamar]

precocious puberty is a medical condition.

Neat eh? You shouldn't make fun of 7 year olds with beards.

In some cases, puberty blockers are used until a later age to allow a kid a normal childhood.

Of course.

I would hope this isn't blocked in Alberta as well, but considering this is being decided by politicians and not doctors, I won't hold my breath

Pausing puberty in kids 11 to 15 year old to prevent distress while decisions are made. Tricky, especially if it seems like parents are pressuring kids.

I'm just now reading that it's actually reversible. I was previously under the impression it wasn't so that's great to learn (and makes it seem safer).

 

[Altair]

Neat eh? You shouldn't make fun of 7 year olds with beards.


Of course.



Pausing puberty in kids 11 to 15 year old to prevent distress while decisions are made. Tricky, especially if it seems like parents are pressuring kids.

I'm just now reading that it's actually reversible. I was previously under the impression it wasn't so that's great to learn (and makes it seem safer).

It's perfectly reversible. If an individual decides, nah, I'm the gender I was assigned at birth, they just have a delayed puberty. The body knows what to do.

If they decide to transition, they will not have gone through the permanent effects of puberty.

Why anyone who loves their children would consciously choose to force their child to be locked into permany physical changes of puberty when they can simply delay them and allow the child the choice when they are older is beyond me. As for Alberta blocking them, it's just cruelty.

This is not to say that puberty blockers are 100 percent safe 100 percent of the time, but I would argue it's a tad bit more safe than suicide. The cost benefit of it should be decided by the individual, doctors and families, not the goddamn government.

 

[Jarnhamar]

This is not to say that puberty blockers are 100 percent safe 100 percent of the time, but I would argue it's a tad bit more safe than suicide. The cost benefit of it should be decided by the individual, doctors and families, not the goddamn government.

What's Smiths reasoning then behind protecting children? You figure shes trying to appease some anti-trans voting base?

 

[Altair]

What's Smiths reasoning then behind protecting children? You figure shes trying to appease some anti-trans voting base?

I cannot answer that without it being my last post on this site.

Ask someone else.

 

[MrWhyt]

7 year olds seem mature enough to me to decide their gender and get prescribed puberty blockers. I'd say as young as 5 even.

you seem to missed the part of my post where I said " if their parents and doctors agree" which is strange seeing as you quoted it and all.

 

[Jarnhamar]

you seem to missed the part of my post where I said " if their parents and doctors agree" which is strange seeing as you quoted it and all.

I did. I apologize for that and sounding like a dumbass. I wasn't paying attention, sorry man.

 

[MilEME09]

Big thing hitting the news cycle regarding recalls. A MLA facing recall makes a claim that suggests he looked at voter data that he shouldn't have access to, in potetisl breach of privacy and the law.

 

[HavokFour]

Big thing hitting the news cycle regarding recalls. A MLA facing recall makes a claim that suggests he looked at voter data that he shouldn't have access to, in potetisl breach of privacy and the law.

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That's certainly a choice.

 

[RangerRay]

It’s cute that the guy is crying about activists using recall to engineer a fall of the government. No matter all the high-fallutin language about “voters holding their representatives to account”, recall was always about a tool to be weaponized by partisan activists. Recall is a tool out of reach of everyone but the most organized activists.

You want accountability? Vote the person out at the next election.

 

[MilEME09]

It’s cute that the guy is crying about activists using recall to engineer a fall of the government. No matter all the high-fallutin language about “voters holding their representatives to account”, recall was always about a tool to be weaponized by partisan activists. Recall is a tool out of reach of everyone but the most organized activists.

You want accountability? Vote the person out at the next election.

The irony is the UCP brought this legislation in to target NDP ridings, now they are the victim of their own Hubris