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All Things AB Separatism (split fm Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???)

So who exactly do they wish to exclude? Or is the real goal to break the provinces growth off at the knees?

The second asks whether the province should refuse to provide programs to non-citizens and non-permanent residents "unless they have been granted an Alberta government-approved immigration permit."
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When I think of...I don't know....the TransCanada Highway beside me....and the number of travellers who break down/need assistance due to poor luck....do they qualifiy?

When I think of the companies who play the HR OT rules between provinces to cut down employee pay (lower OT threshold in BC so you start your shift there) but they didn't immigrate to AB. Oh wait we want inter-provincial trade barriers down so that also means you don't have to have your HQ in Alberta to work there...

I have many words...a scarce few over 4 letters...to describe what a dumpster fire of an idea this is.
 
Blackadder1916 said:
Amazing that a combination of 0.8% of the population (Mennonites) and 0.4% (Hutterites) account for such a low vaccination rate. It must be the Mormons then (1.7%); wait, their church leadership came out during the pandemic that it was okay to be vaccinated. [/sarcasm]
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Given that 19% of the population isn't rural, and the majority of that is over th age of 54, access is possibly an issue as well, and education.
 
The Bread Guy said:
ANOTHER referendum question in the air?
www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

Alberta Next survey asks if province should withhold social services for immigrants

CALGARY - Whether Alberta should withhold social services from immigrants is among the issues Alberta Premier Danielle Smith is tabling for debate this summer when she travels the province to
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From the site, intriguing that separation isn't mentioned as something input is being sought about ...
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... although "constitutional changes" could mean almost anything by the time it gets to a question, right?
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One of the people appointed to the Alberta Next panel was the recently elected (in Monday's by-election) MLA for Olds-Didsbury-Three Hills, Tara Sawyer. On this morning's 'Calgary Eyeopener' (CBC Radio), she was briefly interviewed about the panel as well as her recent election, with a specific question about the separation issue and the showing of the Alberta Republican Party in her riding. Her response (which I've transcribed here) caught my attention.

"We need to stay a strong United Conservative Party and there is no need to be fractured into another party that frankly isn't offering anything we aren't already offering."


As the "other party's" primary platform is separation, what exactly is the new MLA suggesting?
 
Blackadder1916 said:
... As the "other party's" primary platform is separation, what exactly is the new MLA suggesting?
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That UCP still needs to feed a bit of (even-diluted) red meat to keep enough of the base to keep going?
 
Well the Alberta next panel survey is out, and once you get past the lovely propaganda video thats full of falsehoods, you start getting to each question... but with a pre determined outcome because just like the Russian referendum in crimea, you aren't allowed a negative opinion.

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MilEME09 said:
Well the Alberta next panel survey is out, and once you get past the lovely propaganda video thats full of falsehoods, you start getting to each question... but with a pre determined outcome because just like the Russian referendum in crimea, you aren't allowed a negative opinion.

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Oh I hate those kind of surveys! Makes it a useless exercise in that case.
 
Blackadder1916 said:
My question was mostly rhetorical. I see the pandering to the base but I become less and less of the opinion that Ms. Smith is only pandering and this will get out of hand.
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I've always felt her pandering was towards federalism. She's watched Quebec get all sorts of first-among-equal concessions from the federal government for years and wants in on the action.
 
lenaitch said:
I've always felt her pandering was towards federalism. She's watched Quebec get all sorts of first-among-equal concessions from the federal government for years and wants in on the action.
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Can you blame her? Especially since it's Alberta that Quebec receives the majority of their imbalanced largesse from.

It's probably why Quebec is once again crowing about separation. Now that there's competition, Quebec wants to be out in front to be the first. That way they aren't hamstrung by a model for separation, dictated on what Alberta negotiates.
 
Fishbone Jones said:
It's expected. How do you guarantee the accuracy of an internet poll? You can't. Hence the disclaimer.
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There are plenty of ways to ensure accuracy, but they have it poorly worded and set up to assume an APP and Alberta police force are already a done deal. All you need to do is put in a alberta postal code to do the survey. In theory a bot farm could spam certain answers. There are many ways to prevent this, but this is just terrible IT, mixed with deliberate manipulation to justify the outcome thats coming.
 
MilEME09 said:
There are plenty of ways to ensure accuracy, but they have it poorly worded and set up to assume an APP and Alberta police force are already a done deal. All you need to do is put in an alberta postal code to do the survey. In theory a bot farm could spam certain answers. There are many ways to prevent this, but this is just terrible IT, mixed with deliberate manipulation to justify the outcome thats coming.
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I feel like I got this from someone on this site in years gone by, but the term “decision-based evidence making” comes to mind.

Yeah, as something that purports to poll opinion it’s laughable. It’s just like the dreck the political parties send out.
 
The early bird catches the worm. The anti-separatists were the first to get their petition approved by Elections Alberta. This was under the old rules (more signatures, shorter time frame - the new rules become effective on Friday) and should delay any petition initiative from the leave Canada camp (only one petition/referendum question on the same issue can be active at the same time). Their question - "Do you agree that Alberta should remain in Canada".

www.elections.ab.ca

Citizen Initiative Application Approved, Notice of Initiative Petition Issued - Elections Alberta

EDMONTON – Today, Alberta’s Chief Electoral Officer, Gordon McClure, issued a Notice of Initiative Petition. This confirms a Citizen Initiative application has been received and the Chief Electoral Officer has determined the requirements of section 2(3) of the Citizen Initiative Act have been...
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EDMONTON – Today, Alberta’s Chief Electoral Officer, Gordon McClure, issued a Notice of Initiative Petition. This confirms a Citizen Initiative application has been received and the Chief Electoral Officer has determined the requirements of section 2(3) of the Citizen Initiative Act have been met.

Approved Initiative Petition Information
The approved citizen initiative application is for a policy proposal with the following proposed question:

Do you agree that Alberta should remain in Canada?

The Notice of Initiative Petition, application, and statement provided by the proponent are available on Elections Alberta’s website on the Current Initiatives Petition page.

As the application was received and approved prior to coming into force of Bill 54: Election Statutes Amendment Act, the Citizen Initiative process will follow requirements set out in the Citizen Initiative Act as of June 30, 2025.

Next Steps

1. The proponent must appoint a chief financial officer within 30 days (by July 30, 2025).
2. Once the 30-day publication period is complete and a chief financial officer has been appointed, Elections Alberta will:
  1. issue the citizen initiative petition,
  2. publish a notice on the Current Initiatives Petition page of our website indicating the petition has been issued, specifying the signing period dates, and the number of signatures required for a successful petition, and
  3. issue the citizen initiative petition signature sheets and witness affidavits. Signatures collected on other forms will not be accepted.
More information on the process, the status of the citizen initiative petition, financing rules, third party advertising rules, and frequently asked questions may be found on the Elections Alberta website.

Elections Alberta is an independent, non-partisan office of the Legislative Assembly of Alberta responsible for administering provincial elections, by-elections, and referendums.
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Tired of everything, two former UCP MLAs, currently independents have officially revived the Progressive conservative party of Alberta.

globalnews.ca

Former UCP MLAs trying to resuscitate Alberta’s once-dominant PC Party | Globalnews.ca

The two are aiming to gather the 8,800 signatures needed to register as a political party with Elections Alberta.
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This very well could cause a shift in AB politics if they get traction from those who are fed up with Smith but dont want to vote NDP.
 
Alberta is establishing a new Alberta Sheriffs Police Service to become a new provincial police. Looks like as a start it will absorb the existing Sheriffs, some of whom in recent years have become fully police officers.

For now they’re saying this is to augment, not replace the RCMP or any existing service, but they’re scribbling on the wall pretty hard, even if it’s not quite legible yet.

Alberta government names provincial police force, appoints former Calgary officer as first chief | Globalnews.ca

Alberta's government has named its own provincial police force and announced its first chief.
globalnews.ca globalnews.ca
 
Blackadder1916 said:
The early bird catches the worm. The anti-separatists were the first to get their petition approved by Elections Alberta. This was under the old rules (more signatures, shorter time frame - the new rules become effective on Friday) and should delay any petition initiative from the leave Canada camp (only one petition/referendum question on the same issue can be active at the same time). Their question - "Do you agree that Alberta should remain in Canada".

www.elections.ab.ca

Citizen Initiative Application Approved, Notice of Initiative Petition Issued - Elections Alberta

EDMONTON – Today, Alberta’s Chief Electoral Officer, Gordon McClure, issued a Notice of Initiative Petition. This confirms a Citizen Initiative application has been received and the Chief Electoral Officer has determined the requirements of section 2(3) of the Citizen Initiative Act have been...
www.elections.ab.ca www.elections.ab.ca
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Got to love proud, patriotic Canadians taking away the sword of damocles from the hands of Marlaina Smith.
 
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