All Things AB Separatism (split fm Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???)

[Halifax Tar]

I would rather figure out how to make Albertans less bitter with the rest of the country. Quebec separation makes more sense to me: they have a different language, a different founding, a different system of law, slightly different culture. They have a distinct identity. While I don't think they SHOULD separate, at least I understand the sentiment. Albertans are just pissed because they believe they are getting hosed. If you look up the top complaints Albertans have, the majority of them either directly or I directly refer to the oil and gas industry. That can't be all that Albertans are about.

I agree with the highlighted part.

I'd like to find a way for all regions to see themselves as equal players and find equal value in this amazing country.

 

[Lumber]

I agree with the highlighted part.

I'd like to find a way for all regions to see themselves as equal players and find equal value in this amazing country.

Yes however, but I believe that Albertans already are equal players in the country and get as much good and bad treatment from the federal government as any other province. I just think Albertans, like all people, are easily manipulated. The rich and political elite out west dont actually care about the well being of everyday Albertans. They have feed them bullshit and convinced them the O&G is the only thing that matters, and are using their subsequent anger to pressure Ottawa, cohesiveness of the country be damned.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Albertans are just pissed because they believe they are getting hosed.

Albertans are constantly talked down to, reduced to stereo types, and used as a political foil by political leaders.

Trudeau senior was dismissive of Albertan grievances at best, and contemptuous at worse.

Chretien wasn't much better, neither was Trudeau the lesser.


Laurentien elite have a history of talking down to Alberta and Albertans.

That on top of feeling like they're being taken advantage of and seeing the kid gloves (paid for by Alberta) that Quebec gets treated with seems like a good recipe to be fed up.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Yes however, but I believe that Albertans already are equal players in the country and get as much good and bad treatment from the federal government as any other province. I just think Albertans, like all people, are easily manipulated. The rich and political elite out west dont actually care about the well being of everyday Albertans. They have feed them bullshit and convinced them the O&G is the only thing that matters, and are using their subsequent anger to pressure Ottawa, cohesiveness of the country be damned.

Ok.

 

[QV]

I would rather figure out how to make Albertans less bitter with the rest of the country. Quebec separation makes more sense to me: they have a different language, a different founding, a different system of law, slightly different culture. They have a distinct identity. While I don't think they SHOULD separate, at least I understand the sentiment. Albertans are just pissed because they believe they are getting hosed. If you look up the top complaints Albertans have, the majority of them either directly or I directly refer to the oil and gas industry. That can't be all that Albertans are about.

This sentiment, that one group of people are viewed and treated differently, is a big reason.

The empathy towards the Quebecois vs the absolute contempt and dismissiveness for Albertans.

 

[JLB50]

This sentiment, that one group of people are viewed and treated differently, is a big reason.

The empathy towards the Quebecois vs the absolute contempt and dismissiveness for Albertans.

Regardless of their intentions, if they were successful in leaving Canada the Americans would swallow them up in no time. There’s no way the Americans would ever allow two or three independent countries on their northern border. No way. I think the Alberta separatists know this and secretly (or not so secretly) want to join the U.S. but suspect that their Quebec counterparts are living in dreamland and assume their different language and culture will protect them from takeover. Or as Ben Franklin famously said, “We must all hang together or…”

 

[QV]

Regardless of their intentions, if they were successful in leaving Canada the Americans would swallow them up in no time. There’s no way the Americans would ever allow two or three independent countries on their northern border. No way. I think the Alberta separatists know this and secretly (or not so secretly) want to join the U.S. but suspect that their Quebec counterparts are living in dreamland and assume their different language and culture will protect them from takeover. Or as Ben Franklin famously said, “We must all hang together or…”

If you want to theorize US intentions allow me to suggest this; the US wants to reduce or eliminate a significant CCP influence on its Northern border and an independent Alberta would resist that far more than Canada currently does now.

 

[JLB50]

If you want to theorize US intentions allow me to suggest this; the US wants to reduce or eliminate a significant CCP influence on its Northern border and an independent Alberta would resist that far more than Canada currently does now.

And Alberta as the 51st state would resist it far more than an independent Alberta. Divide. Then conquer.