All Things AB Separatism (split fm Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???)

[dapaterson]

Oh but of course Smith announces her government is appealing!

No. No they are not. Not appealing at all.

 

[HavokFour]

PMMC chimes in.

PM says best place for Alberta is in Canada, after judge tosses separation petition | Globalnews.ca

Prime Minister Mark Carney has responded to a judge's decision to quash a petition on Alberta separation by saying the best place for Alberta is in Canada.

globalnews.ca

 

[Jarnhamar]

She's doing this selfishly to placate a restive part of her own party, to keep them from running off and creating their own oddball party and thus making the NDP the defacfo governing party in alberta, and so she can try to exact concession from Ottawa.

That's why it's the Devil's Avocado. Vegans who don't shut up about eating avocados act like their life style saves the environment. Meanwhile 1 avocado takes about 225 to 300 liters of water to produce.

Just doing harm to make a political statement. Like separatists.

 

[Altair]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/for-danielle-smith-and-alberta-separatists-no-clear-path-left-for-referendum-after-court-loss-9.7200286

If Alberta’s independence vote had become a big rig hurtling relentlessly toward its destination, Justice Shaina Leonard’s ruling this week proverbially bombed the key bridge on the route to Oct. 19.

It’s not clear what the path is now, with many more potential hazards ahead.

Leonard quashed the separation petition and its 301,000 (unverified) Albertans’ signatures. She sided with the Athabasca Chipewyan First Nation and the Blackfoot Confederacy by ruling that the government failed in its duty to consult First Nations before setting Alberta on a process that could substantially impact Indigenous treaties with Canada.

The Court of King’s Bench judge’s ruling was still fresh in email inboxes Wednesday when Smith and key separatist lawyer Jeffrey Rath separately promised they’d appeal the ruling, each claiming it had errors in law.

But the wheels of justice have been known to move slowly.

There would be no obligation for a court to hear those appeals on an expedited basis to accommodate Smith’s hoped-for Oct. 19 referendum timing. (The referendum petition’s own timeline made those wheels churn faster on the First Nations’ initial challenge.)

Rath told CBC News he’ll ask for a legal stay to allow Elections Alberta to verify those 301,000 signatures in the meantime, but that would not remedy the overall timing of an appeal of Leonard’s decision.

Then there’s the long-touted Plan B for the separatist group Stay Free Alberta — persuade Smith to circumvent the stalled petition process and have the government call a separatist referendum itself, as it’s done for the nine other questions scheduled for October.

But the lawyer who won the decision for the Athabasca Chipewyan suggests that any Alberta First Nation could quickly challenge a government-ordered referendum with the same “duty to consult” argument.

Oh I didn't even consider this.

They are cooked.

Oh happy day!

 

[lenaitch]

I'm surprised she hasn't railed against a judgment from an Ottawa appointee who clearly "doesn't reflect the culture and values of Albertans".

 

[Altair]

I'm surprised she hasn't railed against a judgment from an Ottawa appointee who clearly "doesn't reflect the culture and values of Albertans".

The judge is an Albertan.

 

[lenaitch]

The judge is an Albertan.

Ok, but it is my understanding that the Alberta CKB is a 'superior' court and therefore a federal appointment. Eating one of your own to keep dominance over the herd.

 

[brihard]

Ok, but it is my understanding that the Alberta CKB is a 'superior' court and therefore a federal appointment. Eating one of your own to keep dominance over the herd.

It is.

 

[Jarnhamar]

The judge is an Albertan.

What kind of Albertan?


Smith overplayed her hand. She's clearly courting separatists well above and beyond being non-partisan. Hope media outlets stop giving them airtime.

 

[RangerRay]

Just to play the devil’s avocado here, I've read elected officials are supposed to represent all of their constituents, not just the people who fully agree with them politically. (e.g MPs crossing the floor).

Could Smith just be ensuring all her constituents have a voice?

You have to admit that’s pretty obtuse thinking. The devil’s advocate is doing some heavy mental gymnastics here.

A truly federalist government interested in letting things play out democratically would just sit back and let the proponents run with it on the current laws. They wouldn’t change the laws to make it easier for separatists, put their thumb on the scales and they sure as shit wouldn’t send government lawyers to appeal court decisions that don’t find in favour of separatists.

Would a Conservative government help a group of Marxists to set up a collectivist enclave in downtown Calgary because there might be two Marxist constituents in downtown Calgary who really want one?

 

[HavokFour]

What kind of Albertan?


Smith overplayed her hand. She's clearly courting separatists well above and beyond being non-partisan. Hope media outlets stop giving them airtime.

The patriotic Canadian kind.

During the summers, she worked full time as a maritime surface officer with the Royal Canadian Navy, Naval Reserve. Justice Leonard clerked with the Alberta Court of Appeal and the Court of Queen’s Bench in Calgary. She was called to the bar in 2003 and joined the firm of Borden Ladner Gervais LLP in Calgary.

In 2006, Justice Leonard joined the Canadian Armed Forces as a legal officer. In 2009, she was deployed to Kabul, Afghanistan, where she worked alongside American military lawyers as a legal mentor to the Afghan National Army. In 2012, Justice Leonard returned to the Naval Reserve and began full-time employment with the Public Prosecution Service of Canada (PPSC). In 2017, she became the Deputy Chief Federal Prosecutor for the Alberta Region of the PPSC.

Inspired by her deployment to Afghanistan, Justice Leonard completed her LL.M. in 2014 at the University of Alberta with a focus on international law and post-conflict peacebuilding. For the last three years, she helped coach the University of Alberta Laskin Moot team.

https://www.ualberta.ca/en/law/about/news/2020/3/alumni-qcs.html

Government of Canada announces judicial appointments in the province of Alberta

The Honourable David Lametti, Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, today announced the following appointments under the judicial application process established in 2016. This process emphasizes transparency, merit, and diversity, and will continue to ensure the appointment of...

www.canada.ca

 

[MilEME09]

So in QP yesterday Smith suggested she might use the NWC to try and get the sep referendum to a vote. Problem is the NWC doesnt apply to s35 of the constitution. Who the heck is giving her legal advice?

 

[Grunt_031]

So in QP yesterday Smith suggested she might use the NWC to try and get the sep referendum to a vote. Problem is the NWC doesnt apply to s35 of the constitution. Who the heck is giving her legal advice?

Jeffery Rath

 

[Altair]

So in QP yesterday Smith suggested she might use the NWC to try and get the sep referendum to a vote. Problem is the NWC doesnt apply to s35 of the constitution. Who the heck is giving her legal advice?

She is flailing and I'm here for it.

 

[RangerRay]

So in QP yesterday Smith suggested she might use the NWC to try and get the sep referendum to a vote. Problem is the NWC doesnt apply to s35 of the constitution. Who the heck is giving her legal advice?

Given how many times this person with a law degree has had his ass handed to him in court, I was going to guess Ezra Levant?

 

[HavokFour]

It'll be interesting to see how much fight Smith/UCP put up now in an appeal. The door is basically wide open, and private backers aren't going to bite if they see the provincial government coddling separatists still.

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Alberta will submit a pipeline proposal to the west coast by July 1st, to which the federal government will designate as a project of national interest by October 1st. Construction could start as early as September 2027.

EDIT: Added clarity as to which direction it will go.

Carney, Smith reach energy agreement that could see pipeline construction start in 2027​

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