All Things First Nations - CF help, protests, solutions, residential schools, etc. (merged)
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Wasn't fan when he was in broadcast (I don't listen to podcasts or online news) but that was good.
Have we ever confirmed one grave in all of the allegations? If so, I haven't heard of it.
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Anomalies. That was the word. As far as I know no graves.
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That might have been the technical term used by the operators when they reported to the FNs (or whoever contracted them), but it was immediately interpreted by just about everyone, FNs, government, media, to be 'unmarked graves'. They have since retreated to the original term. Since then, I have not heard of any effort to confirm or disprove the "anomolies". Some groups actively oppose any further investigation. I wonder why.
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There's also a big difference between former known and documented cemetery sites that due to the passage of time are now unmarked and secret "mass graves" intended to hide unreported deaths.
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IMLO the media manipulated the original stories for mass emotional and shock value. FN capitalized on it and Canada's heart strings were yanked - similar to the drowned Syrian boy (with just a little less duplicity).
If you're not supporting blank checks to throw at this then you're a bad person.
And anyone asking questions are treated with being labeled 'residential school deniers'.
(Where the word "denier" is associated with holocaust deniers)
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I'm not convinced that the FNs simply saw an opportunity to passively capitalize on a media lead.
"Residential school denialism is hate speech."
The push to criminalize residential school denialism in Canada | Globalnews.ca
More than 150,000 Indigenous children were forced to attend residential schools, the last of which closed in 1996. An estimated 6,000 children died in the facilities.
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OldSolduer
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I would love to see the list of the dead and where they are buried.I'm not convinced that the FNs simply saw an opportunity to passively capitalize on a media lead.
"Residential school denialism is hate speech."
The push to criminalize residential school denialism in Canada | Globalnews.ca
More than 150,000 Indigenous children were forced to attend residential schools, the last of which closed in 1996. An estimated 6,000 children died in the facilities.
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I'm not convinced that the FNs simply saw an opportunity to passively capitalize on a media lead.
"Residential school denialism is hate speech."
The push to criminalize residential school denialism in Canada | Globalnews.ca
More than 150,000 Indigenous children were forced to attend residential schools, the last of which closed in 1996. An estimated 6,000 children died in the facilities.
As always, extreme responses to controversial issues can generate extreme reactions...
No evidence of ‘mass graves’ or ‘genocide’ in residential schools
Many parents saw residential schools as the best option available for their children.
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OldSolduer
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Is this a surprise? Not.
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It always seems to come down to money.
$416M or so allocated to finding graves since 2021?
Yup.
The money is in the medicine, not the cure.
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Spent $215m and nothing found, now being called to account, not happy.
Quel suprise...
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Quel suprise...
Jonathan Harvey on Instagram: "🇨🇦 The Liberals spent millions of tax dollars searching for ‘unmarked graves’ at residential schools. They found nothing and are now quietly defunding the committee. They lied loudly and are now silently backtracking
3,217 likes, 143 comments - itsjonathanharvey on February 23, 2025: "🇨🇦 The Liberals spent millions of tax dollars searching for ‘unmarked graves’ at residential schools. They found nothing and are now quietly defunding the committee. They lied loudly and are now silently backtracking. Is...
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I don't have a huge problem with that. Spend money to conclude 'see, there was nothing'. The problem is the advocates and activists won't take 'no' for an answer. It's become an industry.Spent $215m and nothing found, now being called to account, not happy.
Quel suprise...
Jonathan Harvey on Instagram: "🇨🇦 The Liberals spent millions of tax dollars searching for ‘unmarked graves’ at residential schools. They found nothing and are now quietly defunding the committee. They lied loudly and are now silently backtracking
3,217 likes, 143 comments - itsjonathanharvey on February 23, 2025: "🇨🇦 The Liberals spent millions of tax dollars searching for ‘unmarked graves’ at residential schools. They found nothing and are now quietly defunding the committee. They lied loudly and are now silently backtracking. Is...
OldSolduer
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It’s been an industry for decades now.
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Sigh...
The scandal surrounding Canada’s Kamloops Indian Residential School (1890-1969, British Columbia) is an ultracautionary tale about the damage inflicted by self-interested politicians and activists, backed by a media that toes the line. The 2021 scandal sprang from the alleged discovery of 215 graves of indigenous children. They were said to have died under suspicious circumstances at the Catholic-run school and then buried in unmarked graves behind the facility. Kamloops was one of the largest schools in the residential system through which indigenous children were culturally deprogrammed and indoctrinated to mold them into “proper” Canadians.
When the story broke, the press fell over itself in a race to sensationalism. CBC News on May 28 declared, “Remains of 215 children found buried at former B.C. residential school, First Nation says.” The Toronto Star announced on May 28, “The remains of 215 children have been found. Now, Indigenous leaders say, Canada must help find the rest of the unmarked graves.” The international press jumped on the speeding news train with their own headlines, such as “‘Horrible History’: Mass Grave of Indigenous Children Reported in Canada’” from The New York Times on May 31.
Actually, no graves had been discovered; their existence was extrapolated from “anomalies” in the earth found by ground-penetrating radar. Such anomalies are commonplace, however, and usually indicate a tree root, a large rock, or some other innocuous presence. Today, after three years and almost $8 million of publicly unaccountable funds being expended, no graves have been found. No one has bothered to even start the digging necessary to verify anything.
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The Cost of a Hoax
The scandal surrounding Canada’s Kamloops Indian Residential School (1890-1969, British Columbia) is an ultracautionary tale about the damage inflicted by self-interested politicians and activists, backed by a media that toes the line. The 2021 scandal sprang from the alleged discovery of 215 graves of indigenous children. They were said to have died under suspicious circumstances at the Catholic-run school and then buried in unmarked graves behind the facility. Kamloops was one of the largest schools in the residential system through which indigenous children were culturally deprogrammed and indoctrinated to mold them into “proper” Canadians.
When the story broke, the press fell over itself in a race to sensationalism. CBC News on May 28 declared, “Remains of 215 children found buried at former B.C. residential school, First Nation says.” The Toronto Star announced on May 28, “The remains of 215 children have been found. Now, Indigenous leaders say, Canada must help find the rest of the unmarked graves.” The international press jumped on the speeding news train with their own headlines, such as “‘Horrible History’: Mass Grave of Indigenous Children Reported in Canada’” from The New York Times on May 31.
Actually, no graves had been discovered; their existence was extrapolated from “anomalies” in the earth found by ground-penetrating radar. Such anomalies are commonplace, however, and usually indicate a tree root, a large rock, or some other innocuous presence. Today, after three years and almost $8 million of publicly unaccountable funds being expended, no graves have been found. No one has bothered to even start the digging necessary to verify anything.
Evidence is optional in the court of opinion
The world was ready to believe without evidence. The residential school system was a horrific page of Canadian history and an act of cultural assault, if not cultural genocide. Perhaps this history lent an automatic credibility to the accusations that many students died prematurely and were buried anonymously as a cover-up or out of callousness.The Cost of a Hoax | Mises Institute
The Kamloops "scandal" has turned out to be a Canadian government lie that the Canadian and American media gladly repeated. Canada's government now wants to
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$216 million, though? You could get 1.7 billion 500ml bottles of water from Walmart for that price which could be sent to reserves with water advisories.
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I wasn't really focusing on the amount, just that sometimes 'nothing' coming from the expenditure of public money is just as valuable as 'something'. The problem in this case seems that there has been no accounting for the money. There is a gap between actually disproving something and not supporting the original claim so, I guess I am walking back my initial comment a bit.
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My takeaway is that it is another lesson in paying close attention to what people say, and what the media report.
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An interesting development at the BC Conservative Party convention this week...
Earlier in the week, there was a sharp difference in the Conservative caucus on child deaths at residential schools for Indigenous students, after MLA Dallas Brodie posted that there were “zero confirmed” child burials at the schools. Rustad asked her to delete the post and she refused. MLA A’aliya Warbus also objected.
www.nsnews.com
Les Leyne: Conservatives rally in Nanaimo, fight among selves but back Rustad
Delegates at the B.C. Conservative AGM spent the day rallying against the NDP government, but also got feisty among themselves.Earlier in the week, there was a sharp difference in the Conservative caucus on child deaths at residential schools for Indigenous students, after MLA Dallas Brodie posted that there were “zero confirmed” child burials at the schools. Rustad asked her to delete the post and she refused. MLA A’aliya Warbus also objected.
Les Leyne: Conservatives rally in Nanaimo, fight among selves but back Rustad
Delegates at the B.C. Conservative AGM spent the day rallying against the NDP government, but also got feisty among themselves.
www.nsnews.com
