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All Things First Nations - CF help, protests, solutions, residential schools, etc. (merged)

More on how Canadians are reacting to the INM and other aspects of the "Indian Industry":

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/01/15/majority-of-canadians-concerned-about-financial-accountability-on-first-nations-reserves-poll/

Majority of Canadians concerned about financial accountability on First Nations reserves: poll

Michael Woods, Postmedia News | Jan 15, 2013 6:29 PM ET
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OTTAWA – More than four out of five Canadians don’t want more money sent to aboriginal reserves unless proper, independent audits are conducted to ensure financial accountability. And fewer than one in three thinks the money spent by the federal government on reserves is well-managed by the native leaders and communities who receive it, according to an exclusive Ipsos Reid poll conducted for Postmedia News.

The issue of accountability on First Nations’ reserves wasn’t on the radar until recently, according to Ipsos Reid CEO Darrell Bricker.

“People are looking for explanations and they’re pointing at a lot of people here,” he said, adding accountability isn’t seen as just an issue among non-aboriginals.

He suggested Attawapiskat Chief Theresa Spence’s much-publicized protest fast, which has gone on for over a month, hasn’t achieved much traction with Canadians. Indeed the poll showed Spence, who was still continuing to refuse solid foods as of Tuesday, has only a 29 per cent approval rating among Canadians.

Thirty-eight per cent of those surveyed approved of the grassroots Idle No More movement, which was reportedly planning a day of protest Wednesday.

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Spence came under fire last week after an audit of Attawapiskat’s finances dating back to 2005 showed evidence of mismanagement and a lack of financial documentation. She dismissed the audit as an attempt to discredit her.

The Assembly of First Nations, whose leadership took heat from some aboriginal chiefs for meeting with Prime Minister Stephen Harper and other government officials last Friday, had the highest approval rating in the poll, at 51 per cent nationally.

Harper personally drew the approval of 46 per cent of those polled for his actions on the aboriginal file – an encouraging number for the prime minister considering his Conservative government was elected in 2011 with less than 40 per cent of the popular vote, the pollster noted.

Canadians’ overall level of concern about the problems plaguing First Nations communities is solid, but remains unchanged from two years ago, despite the Idle No More movement and Spence’s action, the poll indicates. Sixty-three percent of Canadians think the federal government should act to raise the quality of life for Aboriginal peoples, the same as in July 2010.

Canadians are frustrated with the conditions on some First Nations reserves but are pointing fingers at everyone involved, the poll shows. While only 27 per cent feel that the Harper government generally is being fair and reasonable on First Nations issues, fewer – only 17 per cent – think Canada’s First Nations are being fair and reasonable.

People “think that this has been going on for a long time, and nobody seems to have a plan to fix it,” Bricker said. ‘There’s a lot of blame to go around.”

The belief that most of the problems First Nations people face are brought on by themselves has risen among Canadians from 35 per cent in 1989 – just before the Oka crisis began – to 60 per cent today, an increase over time that Bricker calls “shocking.”

That rise is partly caused by Canada’s changing demographic over the past quarter-century, with millions of new immigrants who have arrived since 1989 and “aren’t really in touch with these issues,” thus taking a harder line on them, Bricker said.

The Ipsos online panel surveyed more than 1,000 Canadians and is considered accurate to within plus or minus 3.5 percentage points, 95 per cent of the time.

This level of support should give the Prime Minister, the AFN reformers and the government room to move, and negate those idiots who try to use the race card to block change, and those who feed off the current status quo in the so called "Indian Industry". Time to move
 
Pandora114 said:
Milkshakes are still considered a "liquid"

And I put six pounds on as a teenager living off of them when I had my jaw wired shut for 8 weeks...

MM
 
And the Kitchen Ninja could liquefy pretty much anything else available at the drive through, too...  ;D
 
Kat Stevens said:
And the Kitchen Ninja could liquefy pretty much anything else available at the drive through, too...  ;D

mmmmm.........pureed Big Mac and fries........
 
Kat Stevens said:
And the Kitchen Ninja could liquefy pretty much anything else available at the drive through, too...  ;D

Yup, that's how my husband's sgt is eating after his jaw surgery.

Christmas Dinner was funny, a maj brought her ninja blender so the poor guy could enjoy the roast beef dinner he wanted.
 
That last article brings up an interesting concept, one I don't think has been discussed here, or been taken into account by many in the INM and their associated hangers on.  And that is the whole concept of a higher non-WASP immigrant population that has no history or connection to any of this mess, and despite what some naysayers say and think, work their butts off to eek out a barely middle class existence.  I can see how they might not look to favourably on handing out billions (of their money) without proper accounting of it, and see it is being pissed away.  They might even start voicing their displeasure to their elected officials, and as their numbers grow, those officials might actually start listening since their prospects of re-election could very well depend on it.

Thoughts ?
 
George Wallace said:
But they are not.  They gave away the "sovereign nation" status with Treaties # 5 and # 9.  If they want to conveniently forget this "sin of their forefathers" then we should not be held accountable of any of the "sins of our forefathers" (which they (all visible minorities) so often remind us of and hold us accountable for), and we are left with this:


From Treaty No. 5, 20 September 1875:
http://www.aadnc-aandc.gc.ca/eng/1100100028699/1100100028700

From Treaty No 9, 18 June 1931:
  http://www.aadnc-aandc.gc.ca/eng/1100100028863/1100100028864

Treaty #5 and #9 deal with the James Bay area and Manitoba with small bits of Ontario and Saskatchewan respectively. Have the Alberta natives ceded their lands as well? If so what Treaties were they?

My Google-fu does not seem to be working for me today and I can't find any answers.



Thanks
Larry
 
Hatchet Man said:
That last article brings up an interesting concept, one I don't think has been discussed here, or been taken into account by many in the INM and their associated hangers on.  And that is the whole concept of a higher non-WASP immigrant population that has no history or connection to any of this mess, and despite what some naysayers say and think, work their butts off to eek out a barely middle class existence.  I can see how they might not look to favourably on handing out billions (of their money) without proper accounting of it, and see it is being pissed away.  They might even start voicing their displeasure to their elected officials, and as their numbers grow, those officials might actually start listening since their prospects of re-election could very well depend on it.

Thoughts ?

Excellent point. Sixty per cent of people living in Toronto are of immigrant background, so when they see their lives being disrupted by native protests they are, like you state, will voice their displeasure. Not good news for Liberal's/NDP who are supportive of the native protests.
 
Retired AF Guy said:
Excellent point. Sixty per cent of people living in Toronto are of immigrant background, so when they see their lives being disrupted by native protests they are, like you state, will voice their displeasure. Not good news for Liberal's/NDP who are supportive of the native protests.

It doesn't matter. They're all infidels settlers.  (sounds familiar)
 
Larry Strong said:
Treaty #5 and #9 deal with the James Bay area and Manitoba with small bits of Ontario and Saskatchewan respectively. Have the Alberta natives ceded their lands as well? If so what Treaties were they?

My Google-fu does not seem to be working for me today and I can't find any answers.



Thanks
Larry

A map of the different treaties as they pertain to the prairie provinces.
Source: Loyal till Death: Indians and the North-West Rebellion. By Blair Stonechild and Bill Waiser

 
ObedientiaZelum said:
It doesn't matter. Their all infidels settlers.  (sounds familiar)

But will still be called white.

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Retired AF Guy said:
A map of the different treaties as they pertain to the prairie provinces.
Source: Loyal till Death: Indians and the North-West Rebellion. By Blair Stonechild and Bill Waiser

Many thanks. Gonna have too figure out how to make the map bigger. Might have to buy the book



Larry
 
An Edmonton woman drove through the blockade (today I think). Yeah, real peaceful crowd...

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid868989705001?bckey=AQ~~,AAAAybGjzqk~,6NfTc6c241GVQxOh-GBHNHu5Cuhlf-y9&bctid=2098845632001

"You're gonna kill someone" No shit, then get the fuck off the road.
 
An ordinary citizen also went to counter protest:

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2013/01/20130116-170014.html

Larry
 
Larry Strong said:
An ordinary citizen also went to counter protest:

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2013/01/20130116-170014.html

Larry

They really make it sound like he needs their permission to stand there peacefully with his sign. Unbelievable.

EDIT to add: He wasn't exactly making the most compelling argument either ("the Jews got over it") but as soon as they started with their nonsense they just embarrass themselves without his help.
 
ballz said:
They really make it sound like he needs their permission to stand there peacefully with his sign. Unbelievable.

EDIT to add: He wasn't exactly making the most compelling argument either ("the Jews got over it") but as soon as they started with their nonsense they just embarrass themselves without his help.

Yeah that's why I was asking above, about treaties out west here! As the chief keeps mentioning that the road was theirs. He - the civie - should have had all his counter points ready before he showed up in my view.



Larry
 
Larry Strong said:
He - the civie - should have had all his counter points ready before he showed up in my view.

For sure, but unfortunately I don't think a reasoned, intelligent debate would have transpired regardless :-\
 
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