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All Things First Nations - CF help, protests, solutions, residential schools, etc. (merged)

foresterab said:
I sure don't have the answer especially as the situation is so different in different corners of the province through culture, treaty obligations of the crown and economic situation locally. But I do appreciate the change of attitude within some communities and the hope they represent for not just their community members but often become a local employer as well increasing everyone's prosperity.
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Rest assured that you're far from the only one without the answer - it's a complicated issue with a lot of factors to fix.

And imagine how hard it is to come up with relatively easy, simple-to-implment solutions for 600+ communities across Canada when you see that wide a range of conditions, culture, attitude and capacity in just one province.
 
Colin Parkinson said:
Consulting on a project. The chief lamented they had no fire protection. I told him, that the these big companies would love to help them start a volunteer fire department and supply a couple of special equipped pickup trucks. All they had to do was to get the volunteers. He kind of looked down, mumbled a bit and changed the subject. The problem is that the people on the Reserves generally don't volunteer and don't get involved, waiting for "Someone else" to do it and then being ungrateful when they do come. Another Band told me they had 40%+ unemployment and not enough staff to review all the referrals we sent them. I suggested they have a day where they put soup and coffee on and get some of these people into the band office and look at the referrals and talk about them. It would be good for them, the band, us and the proponent. Again nothing happened.
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Yeah, about that 'capacity funding'....


We Hear about First Nations ‘Capacity Gaps.’ What about the Crown’s?​

Canada’s governments and their entities must ramp up to meet the challenge of reconciliation.​


In government report after government report, funding agreements, policy initiatives and discussions at the negotiating table between Crown governments and First Nations, the term “capacity building” is routinely used.

The narrative around First Nations being not ready to govern themselves, trapped in perpetual capacity building, is a paternal tactic used to delay, avoid recognition and blur the reality that the Crown maintains a tight grip on power and control. It defers the important work of implementing the inherent rights of self-determination and governance.

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We Hear about First Nations ‘Capacity Gaps.’ What about the Crown’s? | The Tyee

Canada’s governments and their entities must ramp up to meet the challenge of reconciliation.
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Colin Parkinson said:
LOL, so lets dump the Indian Act, pass them billons of dollars and say; "That's it, good luck" and see how much the majority of the Band Councils don't want the government to go.
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Dumping the Indian act would have no less than 1 train crossing somewhere in Canada blocked by activists.
 
CountDC said:
Didn't say it was. The point is people are doing the unceded lands bit for everywhere including those that were ceded just because it became the flavour of the day.
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and when you look at the population at the time the treaties and agreements were made there is very little justification. I vote for Colin. Make them all citizens of Canada, give them the title deeds to their homes and the deed the unoccupied land to the tribe and walk out with a have at 'er as the door closes behind you.
 
CountDC said:
Didn't say it was. The point is people are doing the unceded lands bit for everywhere including those that were ceded just because it became the flavour of the day.
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Conrad Black has an opinion on those “unceded” lands….
 
YZT580 said:
and when you look at the population at the time the treaties and agreements were made there is very little justification. I vote for Colin. Make them all citizens of Canada, give them the title deeds to their homes and the deed the unoccupied land to the tribe and walk out with a have at 'er as the door closes behind you.
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Some would argue that they occupied the "unoccupied" land before we occupied it, and they want it back. Others would argue that they were compensated for said land at the time of treaty. Some have argued that the compensation was insufficient and has been, or is being re-negotiated at 'more current' value. One problem is: do we go back to court every hundred years or so an 're-valuate' the compensation?
 
lenaitch said:
Some would argue that they occupied the "unoccupied" land before we occupied it, and they want it back. Others would argue that they were compensated for said land at the time of treaty. Some have argued that the compensation was insufficient and has been, or is being re-negotiated at 'more current' value. One problem is: do we go back to court every hundred years or so an 're-valuate' the compensation?
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somewhere in the distant past my Saxon family had significant land holdings in the vicinity of Nottingham, or so the story goes. I wonder if I can get backpay
 
YZT580 said:
somewhere in the distant past my Saxon family had significant land holdings in the vicinity of Nottingham, or so the story goes. I wonder if I can get backpay
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CountDC said:
Well in the distant past my ancestors were King Edward of England and King James of Scotland so I think a lot of people owe me some compensation.
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Either of your people have a Treaty signed by the Crown saying, "hey, if you let us do what we want, we'll take care of you"? :)
 
lenaitch said:
Some would argue that they occupied the "unoccupied" land before we occupied it, and they want it back. Others would argue that they were compensated for said land at the time of treaty. Some have argued that the compensation was insufficient and has been, or is being re-negotiated at 'more current' value. One problem is: do we go back to court every hundred years or so an 're-valuate' the compensation?
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So was there a census conducted to ascertain who and how many occupied what land? ;)
CountDC said:
Well in the distant past my ancestors were King Edward of England and King James of Scotland so I think a lot of people owe me some compensation.
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SO Mr - you owe me dude! I am dead certain Robert The Bruce is a distant ancestor as is William Wallace!!
 
lenaitch said:
Some would argue that they occupied the "unoccupied" land before we occupied it, and they want it back. Others would argue that they were compensated for said land at the time of treaty. Some have argued that the compensation was insufficient and has been, or is being re-negotiated at 'more current' value. One problem is: do we go back to court every hundred years or so an 're-valuate' the compensation?
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'Strength of claim' enters the chat...


What does the duty to consult First Nations, Inuit and Métis mean?​

And why some advocates say Canada needs to move from consultation to consent​


The federal government developed a lengthy step-by-step guide for federal officials on how to fulfil the duty to consult. The first steps consider the adverse impact on rights and strength of claim of said rights, which determines the level of consultation required.

 
daftandbarmy said:
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The requirement applies to the federal, provincial and territorial governments and encompasses a wide range of government activities from regulatory review boards to licensing and permits but is most apparent on projects with impacts on the environment and Indigenous Peoples' access to land, water and resources.
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How many Indigenous peoples where these projects are planned still live off the land?
 
daftandbarmy said:
Simple answer? All of them.
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too true and the same people that push for renewables and elimination of carbon-based fuels are the bleeding hearts who declare that we are trespassing. They also took away much of the different groups' incomes by boycotting furs. Close friends used to spend most of the winter north of Uranium City up until the late 60's early 70's. Fur industry cratered about then and took much of the indigenous income with it
 
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