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GO!!! said:
Oh, so you think it's cute? :
All Things First Nations - CF help, protests, solutions, residential schools, etc. (merged)
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Miss Jacqueline said:Oh, so you think it's cute? :
No, but you seem to. You seemed to be on the fringe of where the PETA people start their useless arguments. Hunting is about killing, and it is never pretty. Taking everything usable from the prey is ethical. Slaughter for velvet or gall bladders is a travesty. If the fur is to be used, and the most proficient way to harvest it, with the least damage, is with a club, so be it. If your squeamish about such things, you have a right to not participate. You don't have a right to condemn someone else who is pursing a lawful activity. No matter how distasteful you view it as.
Let's put the thread back on track please.
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OUTSTANDING discussion, in a level of detail I'm not used to seeing in MSM (not surprising, given the crowd here). Just a few points to clarify, though...
A picture (or, in this case, a Google map) can speak better than 1K words....
Kashechewan Water System
Just to set the record straight, Indian Affairs provides funding to First Nations for design and construction (as well as operation and maintenance) of water and wastewater facilities, and First Nations manage the construction and operation of same - INAC doesn't build or operate such facilities. First Nations are encouraged to include training provisions in construction contracts as part of the construction/commissioning process. INAC also provides funding to First Nations, Tribal Councils (technical advisory bodies providing services to groups of First Nations) and other technical service providers for a variety of programs to train water and wastewater treatment plant operators.
Interesting observations, indeed, about the media's take vs. what was happening on the ground. All I'll say in a public forum is that a lot of what was said about the situation didn't make it to the eyes/ears of the media consumer...
rmacqueen said:
A picture (or, in this case, a Google map) can speak better than 1K words....
Kashechewan Water System
rmacqueen said:
Just to set the record straight, Indian Affairs provides funding to First Nations for design and construction (as well as operation and maintenance) of water and wastewater facilities, and First Nations manage the construction and operation of same - INAC doesn't build or operate such facilities. First Nations are encouraged to include training provisions in construction contracts as part of the construction/commissioning process. INAC also provides funding to First Nations, Tribal Councils (technical advisory bodies providing services to groups of First Nations) and other technical service providers for a variety of programs to train water and wastewater treatment plant operators.
Interesting observations, indeed, about the media's take vs. what was happening on the ground. All I'll say in a public forum is that a lot of what was said about the situation didn't make it to the eyes/ears of the media consumer...
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milnewstbay said:
O M G !!!
You aren't trying to say that the MSM in Canada would leave out information that may cast a special interest group in an unfavorable light are you?!?!? My faith in the unbiased media would be shattered!
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zipperhead_cop said:
I figured people here wouldn't understand..... ;D
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milnewstbay said:
Don't worry. We know you're one of the good guys. Must be lonely.
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OK I have a question... Some people think that the status card is unfair. What's the difference between a University discounts card or a military discount card or a tax exempt for some immigrants? Since they both exclude groups of people they should also be unfair right?
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Miss Jacqueline said:
Perhaps you could start a new thread for that. This one is supposed to be about the unlawful occupation of land by a group of criminals.
UberCree said:
- Now, why do I think UberCree's reply was a bit tongue-in-cheek, so to speak. Could be he was refering to a slightly larger scale of occupation?
- There is a chap at SFU who disdains the current aboriginal leadership, claiming they are tools of the settlers. 'Settler' was also the phrase used by various 'liberation' groups in Africa. As in "One Settler - One bullet."
- The 'Stolen Land' concept is an interesting one. Given the to and fro of human migration in the Old World, it is doubtful an international court would view the entire European colonization of the Americas as illegal. No doubt, there are instances of treaty violations, abrogations, or no treaty in place - but that hardly, in the context of the mobility of humanity, constitutes stealing a continent.
- Far worse damage is being done now by an Indian Act that entrenches the petty despotism of Reserve politics than was done by colonization. Colonization uprooted and strained Aboriginal Tribal culture. The Indian Act mandated Bantu-stans will destroy it forever.
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Okee dokee I see. Sorry I didn't mean to stray off topic.
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Miss Jacqueline said:
"Discount cards" are based on voluntarily belonging to an organization - race, sex, ethnicity, or religion doesn't factor in on one's ability to get the privileges of such a card.
As for immigrants, they have different legal standing in Canada. They may be exempt from certain things, but they are also denied certain rights and privileges that a Canadian citizen would be entitled to. This is a legal position - being an immigrant is, again, not dependent on coming from any certain ethnic group, only that you not hold Canadian citizenship (at the moment).
For two people born in Canada on the exact same date (for the sake of the argument), why should we, in a 21st century democracy, enshrine racial or ethnic differences in law?
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Someone owes me 38 years of back pay for all the immigrant bonuses I'm apparently entitled to.
"For two people born in Canada on the exact same date (for the sake of the argument), why should we, in a 21st century democracy, enshrine racial or ethnic differences in law?"
- Well, "All pigs are equal, but some pigs are more equal than others." - George Orwell.
- Because it is good politics. Divide and conquer. We are 33,000,000 diverse victim groups. All of the non-western immgroups that have been used to pack the GTA ridings full of pliant third world voters are themselves compliant little minions come election day. The 'unintended consequence' of this is that the feds packed the GTA with groups that come from socially conservative cultures. When they eventually wake up, they will realize they have been duped into deconstructing the remnants of a conservative Protestant 1950s era Toronto, and have allowed it to be replaced with an anti-family, pro-gay, anti-religious elite that is an anathema to their original 'old country' culture. Wait for it.
- Well, "All pigs are equal, but some pigs are more equal than others." - George Orwell.
- Because it is good politics. Divide and conquer. We are 33,000,000 diverse victim groups. All of the non-western immgroups that have been used to pack the GTA ridings full of pliant third world voters are themselves compliant little minions come election day. The 'unintended consequence' of this is that the feds packed the GTA with groups that come from socially conservative cultures. When they eventually wake up, they will realize they have been duped into deconstructing the remnants of a conservative Protestant 1950s era Toronto, and have allowed it to be replaced with an anti-family, pro-gay, anti-religious elite that is an anathema to their original 'old country' culture. Wait for it.
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Infanteer said:
As well, those benefits are not for life. They are just to help the immigrants get a leg up and on their feet once they get to our country. And you know what? By and large they actually use it to better themselves. I rarely see people that are new arrivals that have been here longer than five years that haven't worked their arses off and are not on welfare for life. Unlike many of the white/black/native people who I see, who are multi-generation welfare recipients, and feel they are SO entitled to the cradle-to-grave freebies that are the hallmark of living in Canada.
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ArmyRick said:
Or is it really a 'misplaced sense of Loyalty'? Many of these immigrants are coming from Third World countries where 'Democracy' may not have been in one of its' finer forms, and as such feel a sense of loyalty to the Ruling Party in Canada at the time of their arrival, and the benefits and freedoms that they received on arrival.
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Shared with all the normal disclaimers.
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/columnists/story.html?id=3f4a7d6f-6646-4a47-a8ed-4053e5269058
Canada as a nation and Canadians as a people fret about such injustices in the world (the highlighted portion) . We collectively believe in democratic principals and assisting emerging democracies but somehow we find it impossible to enforce a modicum of democracy right in our very own backyards?
In contrast to the articles author I say that there is one more thing that the Canadian Government must do...
This evolving trainwreck that is Canada's aboriginal experiment should be stopped forthwith and modern liberal democratic ideals must not only be established on reserves but must be enforced and respected uniformly.
No more useless quasi-tribal regressive historical governance but open, free and fair elections with transparent decision making processes, accountable officials, modern financial accounting practices and legitimacy at all levels of aboriginal government.
How ironic that we currently have people in Afghanistan teaching the principals of democracy but we don't even adhere to those same principals on native reserves here in Canada.
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/columnists/story.html?id=3f4a7d6f-6646-4a47-a8ed-4053e5269058
Canada as a nation and Canadians as a people fret about such injustices in the world (the highlighted portion) . We collectively believe in democratic principals and assisting emerging democracies but somehow we find it impossible to enforce a modicum of democracy right in our very own backyards?
In contrast to the articles author I say that there is one more thing that the Canadian Government must do...
This evolving trainwreck that is Canada's aboriginal experiment should be stopped forthwith and modern liberal democratic ideals must not only be established on reserves but must be enforced and respected uniformly.
No more useless quasi-tribal regressive historical governance but open, free and fair elections with transparent decision making processes, accountable officials, modern financial accounting practices and legitimacy at all levels of aboriginal government.
How ironic that we currently have people in Afghanistan teaching the principals of democracy but we don't even adhere to those same principals on native reserves here in Canada.
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Good point, but I'm not sure that the canadian government has the legal right to ask
for certains rules and way of doing thinks in reserves. But they could ask for the leaders to clarified on paper
theirs rules, budget, how they spend money etc, and let the first nations people vote accordingly .
for certains rules and way of doing thinks in reserves. But they could ask for the leaders to clarified on paper
theirs rules, budget, how they spend money etc, and let the first nations people vote accordingly .
