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Another CAN Journalist Nabbed, This Time in PAK

I'm intrigued by the new orientation - the headlines no longer say "journalist", and there's only one mention in T6's catch from the Globe & Mail to the woman's "freelance journalist" status.

GDawg said:
So, is the ransom $375,000 or $150,000?
I think the earlier bid was $150,000 + a prisoner swap, but it might be that more cash in hand is better for the bad guys at this point.  Like I said before, be careful what you wish for...
 
The latest from Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty:
A Canadian journalist abducted by the Taliban in western Pakistan last year has appealed for help, saying she can no longer withstand the ordeal, RFE/RL's Radio Free Afghanistan (RFA) reports.

In a video message released to the media by her captors, 55-year-old Khadija Abdul Qahaar asks the Canadian and Pakistani governments to respond to her captors' demands.

"I need someone to help me...Somebody's got to move now because my life is going to be over," Qahaar says in the video.

"I have been in captivity for too long now and I am going to be killed," she says, obviously distressed.....
 
Take a look at the quote I have posted below:

Don't mess with the bull or yuo'll get the horn. Good advice for those who think they can hang around with terrorists etc and expect to be treated with kid gloves.
Talk about living in a fool's paradise. Too bad Jack and Olivia weren't with her.
 
Hell, I will start a fund raising drive... When one of two things happen.

Hell freezes over; or

She apologizes, renounces Islamic extremisim and terrorism in all forms.

Since neither scenario is likely, I shan't waste my time.

There are always consequences for everything we do, and she thought that the terrorists were the good guys.
 
The bad guys seem to think that they can get even MORE money for her now - highlights mine.....

National Post
A Canadian woman being held hostage in northern Pakistan says her captors are planning to behead her at the end of the month if a $2-million ransom is not paid.  In a video provided to a Toronto newspaper Web site, a pale and haggard-looking Khadija Abdul Qahaar, 52, begins to cry as she says her "time is very short and my life is going to end.  "I'm going to be killed, as you can see," Ms. Qahaar says on the video, pointing at a long knife hanging behind her.  "I'm going to be beheaded just like the Polish engineer, probably by the end of the month. The deadline is by the end of March."....

Globe & Mail
A Canadian held hostage after she travelled to the lawless tribal belt of northern Pakistan says the Taliban will behead her by the end of the month if a ransom isn't paid.  In a new video provided to The Globe and Mail, Beverly Giesbrecht expresses fear for her life if her captors aren't paid.  “I have been advised and asked to make this video. We have very short time now and I am going to be killed, as you can see,” she says, gesturing at the dagger on the wall behind her, pointed at her head.  She alluded to Piotr Stanczak, a kidnapped Polish engineer who was executed by militants last month, the first killing of a Western hostage in Pakistan since U.S. journalist Daniel Pearl in 2002.  “I am going to be beheaded just like the Polish engineer, probably by the end of the month. The deadline is by the end of March, and that's basically, I don't know, 18 days or 16 days,” she says, closing her eyes.  “I'm not quite sure how long that is but the time is very short and my life is going to end,” she adds in a choked voice.  In the short video, Ms. Giesbrecht, 52, wearing a head scarf and sitting on a wooden chair, says that she is being held by the Taliban “near the Afghan border, either Pakistan or Afghanistan.”  ....
 
Bet that if she is released she will say it was all a misunderstanding and that thoes who kidnapped her were wonderful.
 
At the end of a day, as a nation, we must look out for all our citizens, regardless of politics, creed or beleif.  That we stand up for even those with whom we vehemently disagree is a bedrock principle that differentiates us from some other states - and, apologies to all you moral relativists out there, it makes us better that those others.
 
dapaterson said:
we must look out for all our citizens

true but the question is how far do we go?  Should the tax payers of Canada have to cough up $2million in ransom for someone that went into a known hostile environment in another country while supposedly employed by a company in another country?

My opinion is that we looked out for her by letting it be known that the country was hostile.  She made the choice to accept the job and go into the area so she can rely on that company to cough up the cash - not us.  Mind you I also belief those skiers that ignore the out-of-bounds sign and get caught in avalanches should foot the bill for their rescue too.

 
CountDC said:
true but the question is how far do we go?  Should the tax payers of Canada have to cough up $2million in ransom for someone that went into a known hostile environment in another country while supposedly employed by a company in another country?

My opinion is that we looked out for her by letting it be known that the country was hostile.  She made the choice to accept the job and go into the area so she can rely on that company to cough up the cash - not us.  Mind you I also belief those skiers that ignore the out-of-bounds sign and get caught in avalanches should foot the bill for their rescue too.

I agree.....there are limits under which a government can stand by their citizens for being stupid.
 
Where does support for Canadian citizens who choose to deliberately place themselves in danger end?  Canada gives clear warning for any citizen traveling anywhere in the world.  The Government notes the conditions of travel and rates areas accordingly for the precautions that travelers should take, including the ultimate recommendation to leave the area.  The Government also notes (see below) that it will assist Canadian citizens in leaving an area if conditions are such that other means to leave an area of concern cannot be secured.  It is also noted that such conveyance may be provided on a cost-recovery basis.  Note that this service is implicitly considered for Canadian travelers who found themselves unknowingly into a situation that could have developed despite all recommended precautions from the Government being taken, and as a developing situation could have worsened.  It does not explicitly address people knowingly traveling not only where the danger to their person is extremely high, but where the Government has taken pains to ensure citzens are clearly informed of such conditions.

At this point, it must be considered that Khadija Abdul Qahaar knew the risks associated with travel to the region (noted by DFAIT as an "Avoid all travel" area), accepted those risks, and proceeded to travel notwithstanding.  She would understand that she could be responsible for reimbursing the Canadian Government for cost incurred, at the moment looking like $2M plus travel and incidentals of the Canadian Government's facilities used to secure her recovery, if the Government is even able to secure such services...

Of course many would have screamed against personal rights if the Canadian Government had prohibited/forbidden Qahaar from traveling to the region she did, the "I'm free to roam around the earth as I please and you should do everything to protect me" 'Catch-22'.



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OFFICIAL WARNING: Foreign Affairs and International Trade Canada advises against non-essential travel to Pakistan. Canadians choosing to travel to Pakistan despite this warning should carefully evaluate the implications for their security and safety. Canadians already in Pakistan should consider leaving if their presence is not necessary, as transportation may be disrupted or become limited without notice. Canadians should stay informed of the current situation by monitoring news reports and following the advice of local authorities. The High Commission of Canada in Islamabad can provide security advice upon request. The Government of Canada does not permit infants and school-aged dependants of Canadian government personnel to live in Pakistan. The High Commission of Canada in Islamabad has instructed Canadian government personnel to limit their movements in Islamabad until further notice. On November 21, 2008, foreign diplomats were advised by the Pakistani government to restrict their movements to their assigned city due to security threats.

The security situation remains fragile and unpredictable. The terrorist threat remains very high. Terrorist attacks have occurred throughout Pakistan, causing many deaths and injuries, especially since the beginning of 2008. Suicide bombings, improvised explosive devices, and political assassinations were among the tactics used in these attacks. Some attacks involved detailed planning to maximize casualties by using multiple and consecutive explosions. Extremism, ethnic divisions, sectarian strife, regional political disputes, and the situation in Afghanistan are usually the reasons behind these attacks. Pakistani institutions are generally the targets. However, there have also been attacks in public areas, such as hotels, markets, transportation hubs, Western-style fast food outlets, restaurants, and religious sites, including places frequented by foreigners. Only the very best hotels, with stringent security, including metal detectors, should be used; however, no location should be considered free of risks. Mosques and their vicinities at prayer times, especially on Fridays, should be avoided. Canadians should be particularly vigilant in the lead-up to and on days of national significance, such as Independence Day (August 14), National Day (March 23), the Islamic month of Muharram (usually in the months of December and January), and the Muslim holiday of Eid al Fitr (usually in October). Large cities, such as Karachi, Lahore, and Peshawar, are particularly vulnerable to indiscriminate bombings and other attacks. During the homecoming of Benazir Bhutto to Karachi on October 18, 2007, two bomb explosions caused over 125 deaths and a large number of people were injured. Benazir Bhutto herself was assassinated by a suicide bomber on December 27, 2007. On August 21, 2008, bomb blasts at an arms plant in Taxila killed 63 people and injured over 100 others. On March 3, 2009, gunmen opened fire on the Sri Lankan national cricket team in Lahore, killing at least six police officers and wounding several team players.

In addition, embassies and other international facilities have been targeted or threatened in the recent past. On March 15, 2008, one foreigner was killed and several others, including a Canadian, were seriously injured in a bomb attack on a popular restaurant frequented by Westerners in an upscale section of Islamabad. On June 2, 2008, an explosion occurred in the vicinity of the Danish Embassy in Islamabad; 8 people were killed and 12 seriously injured. The most recent attack occurred on September 20, 2008, at the Marriott Hotel in Islamabad, which caused more than 50 deaths and injured over 250 people.

Canadians should exercise extreme caution at all times. Any suspicious-looking package or behaviour should be reported immediately to the nearest security authorities. Heightened security measures are currently in place throughout the country. Checkpoints may be set up without warning.

Following the terrorist attacks in Mumbai, India, in November 2008, tensions between Pakistan and India have risen significantly. Travellers should be alert to the developing situation throughout Pakistan (see Travel Warning below for more information).

There is also a very high risk of foreign nationals being kidnapped throughout Pakistan. Kidnapping for criminal and political purposes is a rising phenomenon. It is highly recommended to use varied and unpredictable routes and schedules when moving from one place to another. On September 28, 2008, a Polish engineer and his three Pakistani security escorts were abducted and killed in the district of Attock in Punjab province, close to the border with the North West Frontier Province.

Canadians planning to leave Pakistan should confirm booking arrangements with their travel agent and/or airline before going to the airport. They should also ensure that all their travel documents are up-to-date, and register and keep in contact with the High Commission of Canada in Islamabad at 92 (51) 208-6000 or the Emergency Operations Centre in Ottawa at 613-996-8885.

Canadian officials may not be in a position to provide consular assistance to Canadians in some parts of the country (mostly outside urban areas) due to security concerns. In addition, Canadian officials may not be able to provide assistance in areas where the Government of Pakistan prohibits entry or requires advance permission for entry.

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A ceasefire is in effect along the Line of Control with India and at military outposts in the Karakoram Mountains (including the Siachen Glacier). Caution is advised as the situation remains unpredictable (see Section 9 for information on adventure travel).

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Demonstrations and Civil Unrest

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Violent crime is a problem, particularly in Karachi. Armed robbery, random shootings, and armed carjackings occur, mostly in major urban centres.

Travelling after dusk should be avoided, particularly in rural areas where road conditions are unsafe. It is advisable to make arrangements to be met at the airport, especially if arriving after dark.

Travel overland into Sindh province is discouraged unless police are notified well in advance and are able to make the necessary security arrangements. Rural areas of the provinces of Sindh and Punjab should be avoided due to banditry.

If travelling by car, valuable belongings should be kept out of sight and windows should be closed.

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Petty crime is common. To reduce the probability of becoming a victim, it is recommended to avoid showing signs of affluence and to ensure personal belongings, passports, and other travel documents are secure at all times. There are reports that cell phones, credit cards, and passports are currently favourite targets. In Karachi, express kidnappings have occurred where the person is kidnapped for a couple of hours and forced to purchase goods and/or to withdraw money from automatic banking machines.

Cases of drugged food followed by robbery have been reported. Food and drinks should not be accepted from strangers and should not be left unattended in commercial establishments. Only bottled drinks should be ordered in order to maintain control of the situation.

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This woman's  behavior was  stupid and dangerous. In this country, however,  we have a history of bailing out people  who choose to do stupid, dangerous, risky and illegal things and who come to bad ends. Even with warnings and laws, most of our tax dollars go to exactly that.  Some  people just have to learn by experience, unfortunately.
 
We've recently had Mme Fung released allegedly in exchange for two prisoners following negotiations between CBC execs, Cdn and Afghan officials. Laura Archer was released, though less evidence of ransom paid has been forthcoming. In 2006, we had several of our military in the Mediterranean Sea evacuating Cdn citizens from Lebanon following the Israeli incursion against terrorist rocket attacks. These few examples had varying degrees of Cdn Govt involvement in the safe return. In some cases, folks questioned whether or not it was the right thing to do. I find it quite a bit harder to swallow in this case given that she seemed to so openly support these brigands. To be perfectly frank, I almost delight in her present misfortune. That is not to say that I, in any way, think that serious physical harm should come to her, just that she should have to sit in a ratty old cave and see just how terrible these thuggish blackguards truly are.

Paddy,
 
If I may take from another topic; perhaps our Opposition MPs who felt it upon themselves to visit a US Army "Resister" in a California jail, would also like to visit Pakistan and negotiate the release of this fine outstanding Canadian?
 
George Wallace said:
If I may take from another topic; perhaps our Opposition MPs who felt it upon themselves to visit a US Army "Resister" in a California jail, would also like to visit Pakistan and negotiate the release of this fine outstanding Canadian?

CHOW??

Sorry, that would violate her "maximum photo exposure to minimum discomfort" level that she is accustomed too.
 
dapaterson said:
At the end of a day, as a nation, we must look out for all our citizens, regardless of politics, creed or beleif.  That we stand up for even those with whom we vehemently disagree is a bedrock principle that differentiates us from some other states - and, apologies to all you moral relativists out there, it makes us better that those others.

I agree with that, so here is a convinient workaround:

Whatever dollars go towards this organisation, or Taliban prisoners released, in exchange for her release, how many of those dollars will go towards funding the production of the same IEDs that are killing not just our troops, but also our allies troops on a near daily basis?

How many IEDs can be produced with $150K? How much with 350K? 2 Million?

How many released prisoners does it take to manufacture and set up these bombs?

Who do you care more about? Some old hag who got bit in the ass by Karma? Or your brothers and sisters fighting overseas who's deaths could be directly attributed to the funding the terrorists recieved to release this Jihadist supporter?
 
Canadian Mind said:
Who do you care more about? Some old hag who got bit in the ass by Karma? Or your brothers and sisters fighting overseas who's deaths could be directly attributed to the funding the terrorists recieved to release this Jihadist supporter?

Guess you skipped all the lectures on morals and ethics.  But that is OK.  The Public judge us by high moral and ethical standards.  Guess, in the end you don't care.

That said, I, too, believe that she got herself into this predicament, and as a sympathizer to that radical faction, she is getting just what she deserves.  I don't favour any ransom being paid, nor any expense on the Canadian Taxpayer to rescue her.  Her followers, if they so wish, can anti-up the money.
 
George Wallace said:
Guess you skipped all the lectures on morals and ethics.  But that is OK.  The Public judge us by high moral and ethical standards.  Guess, in the end you don't care.

I do care, let me clarify myself:

dapaterson said:
At the end of a day, as a nation, we must look out for all our citizens, regardless of politics, creed or beleif.  That we stand up for even those with whom we vehemently disagree is a bedrock principle that differentiates us from some other states - and, apologies to all you moral relativists out there, it makes us better that those others.

My first line:
I agree with that...

To expand on this, I believe that every Canadian should be given fair treatment and consideration regardless of personal opinions or ideology. In the instance of Kadre, I support pulling him out of Gitmo. But I also support putting his ass on trial as soon as he makes landfall.

In the instance of this situation, if one were to look at it objectively, he would look at the reasons why she went over, then determine if she was justified in going based on the travel restrictions. That alone should be enough to say she's not coming back, because her presence as a journalist is not needed to keep the Canadian Public informed of the situation over there. Further to that one must look at the ethics and morals of her going over there. Her purpose was not to inform Canadians, but to promote the actions of our enemy. Which may or may not have lead to Allied casualties in the past, and may or may not lead to casualties in the future. Adding one more ingrediant to the argument, as I have said before, is what kind of casualties would result from the actions taken to bring her back to Canada?

That is why I presented a question of what the better alternative is. I am asking what the better alternative is, risk more people dying and being captured by increasing the enemy resources, or go against our morals as Canadians and let this woman die, as good or bad as she may be?

Yes, like all people I have opinions, and yes I chose to let it shine through in my previous post and question. But I am a servant of this country, as I have chosen to do; and I will live with whatever happens, regardless of whether I agree with it or not. I have not openly advocated either her beheading or her release.

And one final point, by "your brothers and sisters fighting over seas" I am not just advocating our comrades in the military community, but our brothers and sisters as Canadians. Meaning that the soldier is the civilians brother/sister, and vice versa.
 
Well, I hope Canada is considering the possibility that she's in collusion with the bad guys and this kidnapping is a pre-arranged set-up & a complete farce.

It's possible she's been a willing accomplice all along with an aim to playing "the helpless victim" part so they can fund more terror.

What does al-Jazeera have to gain by making "no comment?" If she was working for them, why not say so and help pay her ransom? If this kidnapping was legit., if she was a respected journalist doing a respectable job for them, why not stand behind her claims?

(I guess I'm just a cynic ...)
 
The latest from PAK media - the clock is ticking (highlights mine):
Taliban militants holding the Canadian woman Khadija Abdul Qahaar in North Waziristan tribal region on Friday circulated a pamphlet threatening to kill her if their demand for ransom was not met by tomorrow (Sunday).

The militants had earlier set March 31 deadline while demanding 2 million dollars ransom. Subsequently, they extended the deadline to April 3. Now they have warned that the new deadline of April 5 is final.

In a hand-written pamphlet, circulated in parts of North Waziristan by an unknown organisation “Gumnam Mujahideen-e-Islam,” (Anonymous fighters for Islam), the militants alleged the Canadian woman was not a journalist but was sent by the government of Canada to spy on the Taliban in North Waziristan.

“We once again ask the Pakistan and Canadian governments to accept our demands by April 5, or else we will kill Khadija Abdul Qahaar because she is not a journalist and came to Pakistan on a mission to spy for the Canadian government. Under the Islamic laws, her punishment is death. Until now, not a single official of the Pakistan and Canadian governments has approached us. April 5 is the final deadline,” said the pamphlet made available to The News.

It may be mentioned here that the Canadian government has reportedly refused to negotiate with the kidnappers or pay ransom. Paying ransom is said to be against the policy of Canada. In a letter, the Canadian government pledged to send its own security personnel to help the Pakistani law-enforcement agencies’ efforts for the recovery of the aged woman journalist and her two Pakistani helpers. Interestingly, the Taliban accused her of being a Canadian spy and threatened to kill her if their demands were not met before expiry of the deadline ....

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