Colin Parkinson
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Lack of planning on the part of DND and their political masters comes at a price.
Oldgateboatdriver said:i.e. that it become operated by merchant mariner employed directly by the crown as employees of DND, who then answer to the RCN for support requirements. That would be cheaper in terms of personnel and operations costs than a RCN operated vessel.
Oldgateboatdriver said:Second, before we call leased vessels "expensive" or "over budget", we better be looking at true cost for the RCN. The leased vessel is known fixed price to start with and includes everything provided by the contract.
It is only when the RCN choose to ask that the supplier exceed what is provided by the contract that the costs increases. So if you are over budget, it's probably because the RCN wants more done by the ship than what was originally negotiated.
Underway said:This is a provision of service contract not a lease, the distinction is important. There was a budget in the RCN for that contract and it's been completely blown through. Much of that cost was the unfinished nature of the construction that the Asterix was in when she arrived and the fixes were paid for by the RCN.
Ship builders never ever pay for their own mistakes or errors. Canada does.
Given that its a provision of service contract yes I would agree with this to an extent. And its a complicated one where I suspect the government hasn't done their homework as much as Davie had, which means we're probably overcharged for quite a few things.
Lumber said:The bunking arrangements on Asterix are phenomenal! Every one gets their own pricate cabin, every cabin ha their own bathroom AND shower with heated floors. Every cabin has a tv and WiFi and all the cabins are networked so you can jsut sit in your cabin and skype with family, watch Netflix by yourself, or play video games against others around the ship. Or you could go to the mess, which are also as nice. The gym is HUGE, and the unclass internet is top notch. Not sure how good the food is though, just haven't heard about it.
FMoore7 said:Hi there, as far as we know so far, will the new JSS ships have the same accommodations?
FMoore7 said:Hi there, as far as we know so far, will the new JSS ships have the same accommodations?
Thanks,
Chief Engineer said:Its true that due to environmental considerations we don't RAS about 60 degrees, however apparently the reason why Asterix doesn't go above is because the company who owns the ship is not insured to go above. If the RCN owned the ship, the RCN would assume the risk and operate up there if needed ie filling up the tanks at the Arctic fueling depot. I imagine the insurance company not willing to insure a large ship filled with fueling in an environmentally sensitive area with ice.
As for cost, I suspect the cost wasn't as cheap as the RCN had hoped.
Can confirm its a no. 6 person messes for the MS and below. 4,3 pers cabins for PO's. CPO's have 2 pers cabins. Officers have 4,2,1 pers cabins. Each Offcier and PO cabin has an onsuite heads/washplace shared with the one other cabin (ie each onsuite serves two cabins). Messes have the same setup as a frigate right now with the communal heads/washplaces.FMoore7 said:Hi there, as far as we know so far, will the new JSS ships have the same accommodations?
Thanks,
Underway said:Can confirm its a no. 6 person messes for the MS and below. 4,3 pers cabins for PO's. CPO's have 2 pers cabins. Officers have 4,2,1 pers cabins. Each Offcier and PO cabin has an onsuite heads/washplace shared with the one other cabin (ie each onsuite serves two cabins). Messes have the same setup as a frigate right now with the communal heads/washplaces.
Of course XO, CO, SO, and CXN arrangements are more private.
Underway said:Can confirm its a no. 6 person messes for the MS and below. 4,3 pers cabins for PO's. CPO's have 2 pers cabins. Officers have 4,2,1 pers cabins. Each Offcier and PO cabin has an onsuite heads/washplace shared with the one other cabin (ie each onsuite serves two cabins). Messes have the same setup as a frigate right now with the communal heads/washplaces.
Of course XO, CO, SO, and CXN arrangements are more private.
Dolphin_Hunter said:Oh cool, it's the JSS (true JSS..) that was envisioned back in the mid-90's. It's been updated with fancier graphics and different aircraft...
Dolphin_Hunter said:Oh cool, it's the JSS (true JSS..) that was envisioned back in the mid-90's. It's been updated with fancier graphics and different aircraft...