AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)

[calculus]

What arnaments are planned? Wikipedia says the Berlin class has 4 x 27mm. I believe you mentioned before that the ships will be based on the Bonn and not the Berlin and Frankfurt. The Bonn was the last made so that makes sense but what are the significant differences between the 3 subtypes? As far as Arctic operations go, I imagine just being double hulled will be a huge step forward.

Some good information here: https://www.navalassoc.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/BN26-JSS.pdf

And here: https://navy-marine.forces.gc.ca/assets/NAVY_Internet/docs/en/jss_factsheet_8x11_eng.pdf

And here: https://nss.seaspan.com/project/joint-support-ship/

I don't remember where I saw it, but I believe the hull will be built to PC6 standard as well.

 

[suffolkowner]

Thanks calculus

The factsheet says 4 x 0.50 remote weapons stations and 2 CIWS, so kinda a step down from the German model but maybe more in keeping with the previous ships. I wonder if it is still accurate though with the frigate program moving away from CIWS?

 

[Good2Golf]

Most certainly, they weren't rentals.

https://www.navalreview.ca/2014/11/deployments-by-ships-of-the-royal-canadian-navy-into-canadian-northern-waters-1949-2014/

Chief, what would AST need to do so?  Navcom stuff?  I’m assuming ice rating isn’t a specific issue since it doesn’t look like PRO or PRE have any hardening?

 

[Stoker]

Chief, what would AST need to do so?  Nav I’m stuff?  I’m assuming ice rating isn’t a specific issue since it doesn’t look like PRO or PRE have any hardening?

Its a lease owned by a private company, insurance carried by the company won't allow to work in Arctic waters due to potential liability. If we owned it we would run it wherever.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

From 2007, brings up the mobile depot ship for the Arctic

https://www.navalreview.ca/2007/03/what-about-sea-based-support-for-the-arctic-patrol-ship/

 

[Stoker]

From 2007, brings up the mobile depot ship for the Arctic

https://www.navalreview.ca/2007/03/what-about-sea-based-support-for-the-arctic-patrol-ship/

Kind of a moot point when we have the Arctic fueling depot and the ship is large enough to carry enough spares to be self sufficient for 4 months.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Speaking of commercial ships in the Arctic, this article talks about insurance effects on shipping. https://gcaptain.com/insure-ships-arctic/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Gcaptain+%28gCaptain.com%29&goal=0_f50174ef03-92ef23397c-139922301&mc_cid=92ef23397c&mc_eid=c9f44d7f09

 

[Underway]

Thanks calculus

The factsheet says 4 x 0.50 remote weapons stations and 2 CIWS, so kinda a step down from the German model but maybe more in keeping with the previous ships. I wonder if it is still accurate though with the frigate program moving away from CIWS?

There will also be 4 regluar 50 cal positions on 05 Deck of the house.  The NRWS are on 04 Deck aft and below the CIWS position forward of the breakwater on the foc'sle. Mounting CIWS is a much more serious armament than a 27mm.

So if you want to approach the ship with small boats you're looking at being in the minimum fire arcs of 4 50 cal and 1 CIWS.  Its all she really needs.  Anything greater will be provided by escorts.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Hopefully one day they add bolt on missile systems for self defense and counter measures, your escorts may be in the wrong place or burning, always nice that every ship can contribute to the defense of the whole.

 

[MilEME09]

Hopefully one day they add bolt on missile systems for self defense and counter measures, your escorts may be in the wrong place or burning, always nice that every ship can contribute to the defense of the whole.

Just under a million for a 11 cell SeaRam would fit nicely into that idea

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Along with an AIS spoofer that can disguise our AOR's as various civilian ships when they have to travel alone, hell if the illegal fishing boats can have 60 different aliases, then we can to.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Starting to look like a ship now

Seaspan takes a bow with delivery of foremost part of joint support ship

https://www.nsnews.com/news/seaspan-takes-a-bow-with-delivery-of-foremost-part-of-joint-support-ship-1.24230220

 

[suffolkowner]

There will also be 4 regluar 50 cal positions on 05 Deck of the house.  The NRWS are on 04 Deck aft and below the CIWS position forward of the breakwater on the foc'sle. Mounting CIWS is a much more serious armament than a 27mm.

So if you want to approach the ship with small boats you're looking at being in the minimum fire arcs of 4 50 cal and 1 CIWS.  Its all she really needs.  Anything greater will be provided by escorts.

Thanks for the update

 

[Underway]

Hopefully one day they add bolt on missile systems for self defense and counter measures, your escorts may be in the wrong place or burning, always nice that every ship can contribute to the defense of the whole.

I'm learning there is no such thing as a "bolt on (fill in the blank)" in shipbuilding.  Everything gets integrated somehow and comes with its own special headaches. 

Along with an AIS spoofer that can disguise our AOR's as various civilian ships when they have to travel alone, hell if the illegal fishing boats can have 60 different aliases, then we can to.

Military AIS have functionality that civilian ones don't.  You may have seen that in your travels, with many warships just reporting as "(insert country here) Warship."

 

[NavyShooter]

Military ships are not required to operate AIS.

They are exempt.

They can also be individually reprogrammed to spoof - the inputs for this are, however, password protected.  And something that I found out as soon as we got them on our ship, and made sure did not get distributed to anyone by the NET(A) section and the NAVO/Combat Officer - and I was kinda shaky about giving it to the O level folks...

 

[Halifax Tar]

Kind of a moot point when we have the Arctic fueling depot and the ship is large enough to carry enough spares to be self sufficient for 4 months.

Do we though ?  I think you should check on the state of that jetty. 

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I'm learning there is no such thing as a "bolt on (fill in the blank)" in shipbuilding.  Everything gets integrated somehow and comes with its own special headaches. 

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Which is why I believe ships like the AOR`s and AOPS should have more designed in hard points for weapon and combat systems with all the cabling/comms or at least trunking for the cables in place during construction and design. So they can be fitted out quickly if required.

Glad to hear that our military AIS has more interesting capabilities. AOR's are likely to be prime targets in any regional conflict with a adversary that has a long reach.   

 

[Stoker]

Do we though ?  I think you should check on the state of that jetty.

Aren't you on the VDQ? They were alongside the depot last year to conduct dry fits for the fueling, operational next year. The jetty is concreate dolphins that the former ore ships used, not a jetty like in Halifax but able to support ships none the less.

 

[Stoker]

Which is why I believe ships like the AOR`s and AOPS should have more designed in hard points for weapon and combat systems with all the cabling/comms or at least trunking for the cables in place during construction and design. So they can be fitted out quickly if required.

Glad to hear that our military AIS has more interesting capabilities. AOR's are likely to be prime targets in any regional conflict with a adversary that has a long reach. 

Do you really think AIS will be operational in time of war?

 

[Halifax Tar]

Aren't you on the VDQ? They were alongside the depot last year to conduct dry fits for the fueling, operational next year. The jetty is concreate dolphins that the former ore ships used, not a jetty like in Halifax but able to support ships none the less.

Nope at MARLANT HQ now. 

Are we both talking about Nanisivik ?