AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)

[Navy_Pete]

You would have thought they would of tackled that at their last docking but as mentioned they probably want to do the very least on the ship to maximise profits. If we did purchase we probably would obligated to correct this as the excess free surface effect and any restrictions that resulted would allow for expanded helo operations.

I mean, the profit margin on that contract is fairly high already, so probably a business cost for the extra downtime.

We're still in the short DWP cycles for downtime, so doing ECs that extends DWPs probably hits their operational charge out. Suspect that impact drops off as they get into the 10-15 years out from the inital refit and start having to do larger repairs, but unless we pay for it all they won't do anything unless they need to do an upgrade to stay within class.

The threshold for staying within class can be surprisingly low, and also seems to vary dependign on who is paying the invoice when they give an opinion.

 

[Stoker]

I mean, the profit margin on that contract is fairly high already, so probably a business cost for the extra downtime.

We're still in the short DWP cycles for downtime, so doing ECs that extends DWPs probably hits their operational charge out. Suspect that impact drops off as they get into the 10-15 years out from the inital refit and start having to do larger repairs, but unless we pay for it all they won't do anything unless they need to do an upgrade to stay within class.

The threshold for staying within class can be surprisingly low, and also seems to vary dependign on who is paying the invoice when they give an opinion.

Much better to cut her loose after the JSS are operational and build two more at a later date. Sounds like they're positioning themselves to be a rental tanker company and you'll no doubt see more videos and PR making the ship seem better than it is. I know they are mentioning the Arctic a lot in their videos, they never been in Arctic waters as of yet.

 

[Navy_Pete]

Much better to cut her loose after the JSS are operational and build two more at a later date. Sounds like they're positioning themselves to be a rental tanker company and you'll no doubt see more videos and PR making the ship seem better than it is. I know they are mentioning the Arctic a lot in their videos, they never been in Arctic waters as of yet.

Yeah, I think it's a great stopgap, but their marketing has always been a lot better than their actual delivery, and always found a lot of the lies they keep repeating about their NSS bid fairly offputting (the whole NSS was delayed so they could submit a bid, they just lost).

 

[suffolkowner]

Fully agree. There is lots of work for Seaspan getting the CCG back to new ships. We'll have our hands full with fleet expansion from other directions for the next 10 years.

Having them hit the water and join the fleet just as PRO/ PRE get ready for mid life would be perfect timing.

2027 HMCS Protecteur
2028 HMCS Preserver
2033 HMCS Fraser
SSKs?

 

[Czech_pivo]

2027 HMCS Protecteur
2028 HMCS Preserver
2033 HMCS Fraser
SSKs?

I believe that the SK's have said that they could have,I believe, 2 in the water to us by 2033.

Would be great to see a CDC or two by 2033 as well.....

 

[Kirkhill]

Or order 2-3 much simpler oilers, next, to be shuttle tankers.

Or follow the Aussies again?

"The Royal Australian Navy (RAN) purchased the commercial tanker MT Delos in 2004, converting it into the fleet replenishment vessel HMAS Sirius (O 266). Converted in Western Australia and commissioned in 2006, this project provided a cost-effective alternative to a new build, serving until its decommissioning in 2021."

A year or two to bring into service.
15 years service from the hull.