army and air rank questions

[armygurl_557]

thats soo messed up.. I'll never under stand the air and sea ranks.. So complicated..

 

[condor888000]

Sea ranks I can understand, but air has fewer than army...

 

[QOR-Sargent]

If he knew nothing then your Jr NCOs must be pretty stupid....also please refrain from bashing because of element.

No I am not bashing the elements! Its not like that at all. It was just the Sgt he didn't know anything! Like nothing at all.

 

[tabernac]

To answer all your questions about "What rank is equal to what rank in (element name here)?"

I have come up with this link.​

http://www.regions.cadets.forces.gc.ca/pra/6air/rank_e.htm

 

[Burrows]

Whats the point of having QPO1 with no equivalent when it could easily fill the sgt rank and have the PO2 fill MCpl...I MEAN COME ON PEOPLE I KNOW ITS THE MILITARY BUT HOLY SHIT COME ON!

 

[catalyst]

huh?

 

[Burrows]

If you look at the site stated above my previous post you will see what I mean.

 

[Spartan]

It has to do with the jobs of each (from what I can discern)
ones an appointment (MCpl), ones akin to a position(QP01)

as I said on that site, it's a rough equivalency chart that I put together after much discussion on another forum that is cadet related. It was in this discussion that we discussed what is taught where and who has what responsibility.

 

[Love793]

The problem here lies in the fact that Air Cadets are still using the old Air Force ranks (pre unification)  The CF had the same problem in 1968 when they unified the RCN, Cdn Army and RCAF.  Here's the break down.  In 1968 the Airforce and Army both had more ranks than the Navy.  To solve this prob, they "invented" the Appointed rank of Master Corporal (Master Seaman for those so inclined).

Pte = Air Craftsman  = Pte
Cpl  = Leading Air Craftsman = LCpl
MCpl= Corporal = Cpl
Sgt= Sgt = Sgt
WO= FSgt = S/Sgt
MWO= WO2 = WO2
CWO= WO1 = WO2

 

[Michael Dorosh]

In 1968 the Airforce and Army both had more ranks than the Navy.  To solve this prob, they "invented" the Appointed rank of Master Corporal (Master Seaman for those so inclined).

NO

The Army did not add a single rank, they reorganized.  Note the following table is not a strict breakdown of "equivalencies", just a listing of the ranks that existed  You can see that the post-unification Army actually had one LESS rank, if you include lance corporal and lance sergeants as ranks.  Even deleting the L/Sgt appointment, you get the same number of ranks and appointments.

Pre Unification    Post Unification

Pte                    Pte
L/Cpl (appointment)  Cpl
Cpl                          MCpl (appointment)
L/Sgt (appointment)
Sgt                          Sgt
Staff Sgt                    WO
WO II                        MWO
WO I                        CWO

More info on the evolution of corporals at my site at www.canadiansoldiers.com - look under RANKS AND RESPONSIBILITIES

 

[Love793]

I stand corrected, however I was summarising :'(

 

[Jonny Boy]

But the CATOS say no matter what, you get to keep your rank. It's stupid, i know.

in my corp it doesn't matter where you came from or your rank if you are leaving another corp   and joining ours that you will be put down one rank untill you can prove that you deserve the rank back

 

[Burrows]

Lets see....then your officer cadre would be in breach of CATO regulation and as such could have punishments follow if the cadet reported it to the  RCSU.

 

[Saorse]

I cannot say I agree with the idea of stripping a cadet one rank until they prove they deserve it. Demote them if they do not pull their weight, but do not punish them for switching. If I switch from the Army to the Navy in the Regular Forces, my rank is adjusted, not hampered with.

Can't say I'm a fan of that.

 

[Scott]

If I switch from the Army to the Navy in the Regular Forces, my rank is adjusted, not hampered with.

Can't say I'm a fan of that.

What on earth do you mean by this?

 

[Inch]

I cannot say I agree with the idea of stripping a cadet one rank until they prove they deserve it. Demote them if they do not pull their weight, but do not punish them for switching. If I switch from the Army to the Navy in the Regular Forces, my rank is adjusted, not hampered with.

Can't say I'm a fan of that.

That's true, you don't lose your rank, but you redo your training with the exception of BMQ/BOTC. Would you rather that happened?

 

[Ex-Dragoon]

I cannot say I agree with the idea of stripping a cadet one rank until they prove they deserve it. Demote them if they do not pull their weight, but do not punish them for switching. If I switch from the Army to the Navy in the Regular Forces, my rank is adjusted, not hampered with.

Can't say I'm a fan of that.

Ummm...excuse me but if your a MAster Corporal you immediately go down to Corporal

Don't post info unless you have first hand knowledge. Its in the Guidelines!

 

[aesop081]

Ummm...excuse me but if your a MAster Corporal you immediately go down to Corporal

Don't post info unless you have first hand knowledge. Its in the Guidelines!

Exactly...you go down..i have first hand knowledge ...as i seem to be a corporal again !!!!

 

[Inch]

Ummm...excuse me but if your a MAster Corporal you immediately go down to Corporal

Don't post info unless you have first hand knowledge. Its in the Guidelines!

Ex-D, Officers don't go down a rank, all the navs and other remusters going through pilot training stayed at the rank they had before the remuster.

 

[aesop081]

Ex-D, Officers don't go down a rank, all the navs and other remusters going through pilot training stayed at the rank they had before the remuster.

So by extension if a major ANAV remustered to pilot , he woud remain a major ??? Seems slightly odd since NCMs, no matter what rank revert to Cpl upon remuster....how can you be a supervisor in a new trade where you have no experience ?