Army.ca and the Rest of Canada

[Cloud Cover]

CTV is running a poll with the identical question. Lets see if members here share similar views on the question- which I admit is a loaded one. 

Cheers.

 

[Kat Stevens]

We've been paying outrageous taxes at the pump since befor old Leduc #1 hit.  So far, the world is still a vipers nest.  Until I personally can allocate where my tax money goes, I'd rather not pay extra, thanks.

 

[Cloud Cover]

I agree. I think the question posed by CTV displays the total lack of understanding of the real world that many Canadians hold. I personally fail to see how fattening the pockets of Saudi Arabia and large oil producing nations [such as Canada] will do any good. it's not we [or the multi-national oil companies] are going to share the wealth. The responses on the CTV poll suggest there are a great many pie in the sky Canadians that have no inclination to give a sober, second thought to the question that is asked. They just blindly answer with the "feel good" response.

 

[Springroll]

We've been paying outrageous taxes at the pump since befor old Leduc #1 hit.   So far, the world is still a vipers nest.   Until I personally can allocate where my tax money goes, I'd rather not pay extra, thanks.

My thoughts(and my hubby's) exactly!

 

[Britney Spears]

You guys are missing the point. I'm all for higher gasoline prices if it will force people to start thinking about alternatives to the extravagant, energy-rich, humers-and-g-wagons-downtown  lifestyle they have now. It already exists in Europe, and civilization in the EU hasn't collapsed yet, in fact they are doing better enviromentally than us. Why can't we do the same? 

 

[Springroll]

You guys are missing the point. I'm all for higher gasoline prices if it will force people to start thinking about alternatives to the extravagant, energy-rich, humers-and-g-wagons-downtown   lifestyle they have now. It already exists in Europe, and civilization in the EU hasn't collapsed yet, in fact they are doing better enviromentally than us. Why can't we do the same?  

Problem is that high gas prices are not going to stop those people because they have the money to buy the gas.
All it does is prevents Joe Minimum Wage from being able to make ends meet and in turn increases our poverty rate.

 

[IcEPiCk]

We shouldnt be paying world market prices for a resource that Alberta has so much of in my oppinion...

Especially with the entire softwood lumber tariff situation...

Its as if we are getting the short end of the stick in more than one way.



Never mind what we pay for water, our largest resource.  Its like being robbed.
I am by no means claiming to know a solution for this intricate problem, but at the same time we can alll agree this is very frustrating ...

I think we are going to see more and more of those modified bio diesal cars...  They are a fairly good idea imho.  (i mean from the handy people who know their cars inside out...)


  :threat:    

 

[Britney Spears]

Problem is that high gas prices are not going to stop those people because they have the money to buy the gas.

Well if they have the money to buy gas then they got no issues, do they? I don't think the top 1% are the problem here.

All it does is prevents Joe Minimum Wage from being able to make ends meet and in turn increases our poverty rate.

You don't need a car to stay above th poverty line. 80% of the world's population does just that. If Joe Minimum Wage can't make ends meet he should sell his car, buy a nice rucksack and hump to work every morning, and after 6 months he can join the army. I've done it, no reason why he can't. I, too  have a gas guzzler monster vehicle right now, I fill the tank maybe once every six weeks because I only drive if I need to move something very fast that I can't fit in my ruck. If you "can't get by" in the richest frigging country in the world without a car then you deserve nothing but scorn.

PT, good for you, good for me, good for the enviroment,  fights terrorism too!   

 

[pte. Massecar]

PT, good for you, good for me, good for the enviroment,   fights terrorism too!    

truly an awesome quote right there!

 

[Springroll]

You don't need a car to stay above th poverty line. 80% of the world's population does just that. If Joe Minimum Wage can't make ends meet he should sell his car, buy a nice rucksack and hump to work every morning, and after 6 months he can join the army. I've done it, no reason why he can't. I, too   have a gas guzzler monster vehicle right now, I fill the tank maybe once every six weeks because I only drive if I need to move something very fast that I can't fit in my ruck. If you "can't get by" in the richest frigging country in the world without a car then you deserve nothing but scorn.

PT, good for you, good for me, good for the enviroment,   fights terrorism too!    

The problem is when you get places like here in Dartmouth where the gas prices are now at 1.50/L, and the minimum wage is so low.
What is Joe to do if he can not get to work in Halifax??

 

[Britney Spears]

The problem is when you get places like here in Dartmouth where the gas prices are now at 1.50/L, and the minimum wage is so low.
What is Joe to do if he can not get to work in Halifax??

Well then he won't and he'll just have to find work in Dartmouth. So what? With the rise in fuel prices, less people are going to be commuting back and forth, businesses in Halifax may have to expand and build new branches in Dartmouth to make up for the lost business, Maybe now there will be incentive to run buses back and forth?  There are a million ways you can game this. But this kind of excuse-ridden attitude is exactly WHY we need some good shock therapy in the form of high prices.  I don't think it will be easy in the short run, no economic adjustment ever is, but it's our own gluttony and sloth that's gotten us where we are and I wouldn't mind a little hard attitude re-adjustment before we choke each other to death with car exhaust or claw each other to death over oilfields. I know I'll get along just fine with high oil prices, and most people can too if they stop driving their SUVs 2 blocks to the 7-11 every day. The rest of the world, EU included, does just fine with this attitude.

 

[Springroll]

Well then he won't and he'll just have to find work in Dartmouth. So what? With the rise in fuel prices, less people are going to be commuting back and forth, businesses in Halifax may have to expand and build new branches in Dartmouth to make up for the lost business, Maybe now there will be incentive to run buses back and forth?   There are a million ways you can game this. But this kind of excuse-ridden attitude is exactly WHY we need some good shock therapy in the form of high prices.   I don't think it will be easy in the short run, no economic adjustment ever is, but it's our own gluttony and sloth that's gotten us where we are and I wouldn't mind a little hard attitude re-adjustment before we choke each other to death with car exhaust or claw each other to death over oilfields. I know I'll get along just fine with high oil prices, and most people can too if they stop driving their SUVs 2 blocks to the 7-11 every day. The rest of the world, EU included, does just fine with this attitude.

I know exactly what you are saying. I barely drive my van(3.8L) anymore and can make the tank last 2-3 weeks. Where we bought our house, I can walk to any ammenities I may need, so for me it isn't an issue, but lets say buddy lives in Lawrencetown, NS and works in Dartmouth. How is he to get to work? There are no buses out there and it is an extremely long walk, especially in -30 degree weather come winter. We have to stop catering to the rich and start thinking about the little guy.

 

[Britney Spears]

but lets say buddy lives in Lawrencetown, NS and works in Dartmouth. How is he to get to work? There are no buses out there and it is an extremely long walk,

And when we continue to have cheap gas, no one will demand buses either, or buses which run on fuel cells, or any kind of innovation that might actually help. That's capitalism for you, and since we all love capitalism so much, the only sane thing to do is to let prices rise and force people to make sound decisions. We'll be ahead of the game if the gummint steps in and speeds up the proccess a bit too. Raise the taxes of gas to EU levels and spend the money on new kit for the army.

 

[Springroll]

The people out there have been demanding bus service for about a decade now, and nothing has happened so far. :

Did you watch a program a couple days ago where they demonstrated a race car the ran only on lithium batteries??
The thing could get speeds up to 300+km/hr!!!!
I thought it was an awesome idea, except for the price tag.... around $250,000 for one car.

 

[Kat Stevens]

Well if they have the money to buy gas then they got no issues, do they? I don't think the top 1% are the problem here.

You don't need a car to stay above th poverty line. 80% of the world's population does just that. If Joe Minimum Wage can't make ends meet he should sell his car, buy a nice rucksack and hump to work every morning, and after 6 months he can join the army. I've done it, no reason why he can't. I, too  have a gas guzzler monster vehicle right now, I fill the tank maybe once every six weeks because I only drive if I need to move something very fast that I can't fit in my ruck. If you "can't get by" in the richest frigging country in the world without a car then you deserve nothing but scorn. 

Well then, scorn away sweetheart. I live in rural Alberta.  The nearest place for me to buy a loaf of bread is 22 km away.  We spend half the year under snow, 4X4 is a necessity, not a luxury.  People in the EU get along fine because every tiny village has at least a bakery, a bank, and a small grocery store.  Mass transit is also readily available, if you've ever been there, you would know this.  My work is 14 KM from my home, I'm a single dad with 2 kids at home.  Sure, hump a ruck to work, absolute genius. Leave home at 04:30 in -45 weather to save a long dead dinosaur, and get home around 19:00, if I don't have to walk into town to buy food, that is.  Then cook supper and clean up.  Absolutely fabulous plan, for anyone living in the centre of the known universe (you know who you are).

Kat

 

[Springroll]

Well then, scorn away sweetheart. I live in rural Alberta.   The nearest place for me to buy a loaf of bread is 22 km away.   We spend half the year under snow, 4X4 is a necessity, not a luxury.   People in the EU get along fine because every tiny village has at least a bakery, a bank, and a small grocery store.   Mass transit is also readily available, if you've ever been there, you would know this.   My work is 14 KM from my home, I'm a single dad with 2 kids at home.   Sure, hump a ruck to work, absolute genius. Leave home at 04:30 in -45 weather to save a long dead dinosaur, and get home around 19:00, if I don't have to walk into town to buy food, that is.   Then cook supper and clean up.   Absolutely fabulous plan, for anyone living in the centre of the known universe (you know who you are).

Kat

Where abouts is Dapp?
I have family in Valleyview and Grande Prairie, and I remember what they were like 15 years ago...

 

[Kat Stevens]

25 Km North of Westlock,  about 100 Km North of Edmonton.  Dapp has 12 houses, a church, and a school.

 

[Springroll]

Geez...sounds almost like Peggy's Cove out ehre, minus the tourist traps

 

[Britney Spears]

Well then, scorn away sweetheart. I live in rural Alberta.  The nearest place for me to buy a loaf of bread is 22 km away.  We spend half the year under snow, 4X4 is a necessity, not a luxury.  People in the EU get along fine because every tiny village has at least a bakery, a bank, and a small grocery store.  Mass transit is also readily available, if you've ever been there, you would know this.  My work is 14 KM from my home, I'm a single dad with 2 kids at home.  Sure, hump a ruck to work, absolute genius. Leave home at 04:30 in -45 weather to save a long dead dinosaur, and get home around 19:00, if I don't have to walk into town to buy food, that is.  Then cook supper and clean up.  Absolutely fabulous plan, for anyone living in the centre of the known universe (you know who you are).

Well then it will just be one of the costs of living where you do and not having to deal with B/Es and drive-by shootings like I do, then, isn't it? The EU can do it because blah blah bla? Well obviously it works, so then howsabout we start doing what they do?  If your village has no bakery and gas prices go up, maybe you can open one? No Mass transit? Start your own, then!  It's always about ME ME ME and never about the planet or world peace.

Of course there's always the buggy-whip-maker problem. Change isn't easy, but sometimes it's neccesary. Some people will have to give up things, and they'll whine. That's where leadership comes in.

 

[Armymedic]

I'd say yes, not for world peace, but like Britney says, to spur the innovation of new fuel sources. With gas $1/l or higher, cost to Joe public will end our need to drive the big mammoth vehicles and get more fuel efficient cars. Fuel cell technology, hydrogen cells, and even solar based electric transport will become cheaper as industry begins to produce them in accordance to the populations demand.

Higher oil prices are going to destabilize the world, first economically, then militarily as countries seek out new sources of petroleum. Fossil fuel based energy is going to go away, as it is a finite resource, one day it will disappear. What will we do then. Lets start now, and stay one step ahead of the second world countries like China and India whose Petroleum demands are causing this increase in prices. And China is buying up petrol companies as fast as they can in an attempt to have some economic control.

Further, India has banned the use of rickshaws, China is barring the use of bicycles on major roads and streets. They are pushing away from tradition mean of transportation in favour of more modern, fuel burning means...

this will not get better anytime soon, and will more then likely get much worse as winter approaches.