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Retired CC said:
Are you the Anchorman, or the Ombudsman??
I am the Anchorman, but I can't stand when things need to be rectified and people do not or cannot take the appropriate actions to remedy the situation. Sure...I complain like the next guy, but I also move ahead and attempt to fix anything I feel needs to be fixed if possible.  (Maybe that is why my motorcycle is in the garage in 60 pieces)
I am finally in a position that some of my comments and concerns are relayed directly to the top, and I will use this avenue whenever I feel it may be appropriate to do so.
All for the better of our troops, cause there is only one thing truly important in today's Army, and that is our soldiers!!!!
 
Anchorman,

I think that I know who you are, based on your organization's recent visit to Gagetown.  If I am correct, then I am assured that you are "one of us" doing the best that you can to spread our message in a positive yet realistic manner.  If I am wrong, then so be it.

The "Public Affairs" business is a losing proposition in the eyes of the operational component of the CF as a whole, and within the Army in particular.  Serving soldiers have been so repeatedly disappointed by "Public Affairs" that we no longer hold any faith whatsoever in your organization's ability to accurately represent our interests - let alone portray what it is that we do for the benefit of Canada.  Your organization broke faith a long time ago by remaining silent in the face of a public media savaging over the Somalia affair.  DND PAff is not the least bit proactive.  To the contrary, your organization is entirely reactive.  And even when faced with media enquiries, the DND PAff "machine" appears to be incapable of anything more than self-serving platitudes and excuses.  I regret to say that as a result of repeated betrayals (or simply negligence) your organization is perceived by the rank and file as being little more than a "mouth-piece" for senior management-directed "sound-bites".

Quite frankly, those of us in uniform have endured more than enough "fluff" and "feel-good" stories spouting the gospel according to senior management.  If you are who I think you are, then you know EXACTLY what I'm talking about.  If your organization truly seeks credibility amongst serving soldiers and wishes to honestly represent what it is that we are collectively doing, then you will stop with the "pap" and report what you see while soldiering alongside troops who are doing the operational or training business.  Stop with the bull-crap "feel-good" stories about "Army Transformation", and start reporting from the pointy-end where the troops are engaged.  That's where most of us are eventually headed (again), and that is what we truly care about.  Don't bother bull-shiting me about the latest field trials for some arcane piece of kit that won't see the light of day for at least 15 years.  I could honestly care less.  After all, where's my new ruck-sack? 

These are well-intentioned words of advice, coming from a fellow who strongly suspects that we know one another and were recently re-aquainted in Gagetown.  If I'm wrong, then such is life.  Whoever you are, you still ought to hoist aboard some advice from the coal-face.  If I'm right, then you know what you need to do to sort your organization out.  Enough of the fluff and political correctness.  Until you start truly reporting from the front, you guys will be nothing more than a video version of the much-despised "Maple Leaf" propaganda rag.  And that's the unfortunate truth.

For what it's worth.
 
Anchorman, I appreciate your candid feedback and the fact you are taking the time to respond to the posts in this thread.   Telling people to "whistle blow" about units and informing them you have friends in high places such as LCol X and the CDS will not incite confidence in the soldiers to provide honest, thoughtful feedback.

If in your first 15 posts you have become offended by feedback from your Army News Target audience you must understand that in post 6 of this thread you questioned the intelligence of soldiers (your audience).   Your posts have the potential to be informative, concerning items such as the 20-minute loop or the grassroots of Army News, etc.  

We all know you and your peers have been given a difficult job and received some training.   I personally have been a columnist and copy editor for a Base Newspaper. IMO, I don't think you will set an appropriate tone for good interactive dialogue, by exposing a hard line and making big promises (in your first 15 posts) to an audience who have posted 100s or 1000s times to the various threads on this site.  

Anonymous forums like this one permit members that include veterans, soldiers, former soldiers, cadets and civilians to offer advice, to discuss doctrine, to rant and to brainstorm. If you want to become an investigative reporter or a stool pigeon and report what you read hear as fact to your superiors you jeopardize the reasons that people visit here or more likely you diminish your own credibility and the cause/organization that you represent.

I suggest you sit back a little and sort through the info before you respond.   There is a potential readership of more than 7000 people (10,000 or so years in uniforms) in this forum.   Members of the forum come and go, but many have been around quite a while and do a pretty good job through the DS and Mod functions to police the content.   You have a great opportunity, don't let it be a short-lived one and force people to change the channel or scream for Gene-Gene-the Dancing Machine to â Å“gong you".
 
Anchorman,

Like Mark C, I do believe I know you.  I would have been the one approving your crazy claims when you were starting this venture.  (As I recall, no one had a Fin Code, but you REALLY NEEDED TO GET TO OTTAWA RIGHT AWAY).  We got you there.

If you are who I think you are, perhaps you could fill in your profile - your background could gain you great credibility here - on the other hand, if you're NOT who I think you are, then your completed profile may land you in hot water here.

It's your move.
 
Mark C said:
Anchorman

Quite frankly, those of us in uniform have endured more than enough "fluff" and "feel-good" stories spouting the gospel according to senior management.   If you are who I think you are, then you know EXACTLY what I'm talking about.   If your organization truly seeks credibility amongst serving soldiers and wishes to honestly represent what it is that we are collectively doing, then you will stop with the "pap" and report what you see while soldiering alongside troops who are doing the operational or training business.   Stop with the bull-crap "feel-good" stories about "Army Transformation", and start reporting from the pointy-end where the troops are engaged.   That's where most of us are eventually headed (again), and that is what we truly care about.   Don't bother bull-shiting me about the latest field trials for some arcane piece of kit that won't see the light of day for at least 15 years.   I could honestly care less.   After all, where's my new ruck-sack?  

These are well-intentioned words of advice, coming from a fellow who strongly suspects that we know one another and were recently re-aquainted in Gagetown.   If I'm wrong, then such is life.   Whoever you are, you still ought to hoist aboard some advice from the coal-face.   If I'm right, then you know what you need to do to sort your organization out.   Enough of the fluff and political correctness.   Until you start truly reporting from the front, you guys will be nothing more than a video version of the much-despised "Maple Leaf" propaganda rag.   And that's the unfortunate truth.

For what it's worth.
Well put. I will summarize this post by saying that your 99 % on target with this analysis. The Public Affairs Trade has indeed dropped the ball in the last 20 years, and from what I have seen, it doesn't look like a good future at the moment. The only hope we have of making this work, is to rely on the NCM's brought in from the various Combat Arms Trades to sort it out. It is an uphill battle when it comes to our programming, and yes...we are towing the corporate crap to get us started. But we will be straying outside the box on important issues when they arise.
Army Council has approved this project based on informing the Army about transformation, and by a means to help soldiers change their culture to meet their mandate, however we all know no soldiers wants to watch fluffy crap about how good we are, but I think they do want to know where we are going and what affects them in the big picture. So, we are left with being stuck in the middle. Our aim as an organization is to start including the important pressing isues that matter most from the field this fall, but to do it we need to know what they are, and that is where the feedback is required.
This news show will not emulate the Maple News paper(where it started to go in the last 4-6 months) and more importantly, it will also not be a tool to discredit the system either. As a soldier comming from the trenches, I know that the more information I got the more I wanted. But we are funded by the Army Senior staff, and they will only allow us to stray so far. My comrades and I are working hard to change this, and it looks like they are bending to meet the soldiers needs. If all goes well, you will see this alter into a great source of honest usefull information that the troops will want to see. If not, and it turns into the Maple Leaf crap, I am outa here, and back to the trenches. If people like you have great stories to meet this mandate, please email me here and I will go for them, and see how the machine reacts. Thanks for the valuable post, and although I was not on the Gagetown Launch, I am a Combat Arms Sgt doing my best to get er done. Hope to hear back soon.
 
Gunner98 said:
Anchorman, I appreciate your candid feedback and the fact you are taking the time to respond to the posts in this thread.   Telling people to "whistle blow" about units and informing them you have friends in high places such as LCol X and the CDS will not incite confidence in the soldiers to provide honest, thoughtful feedback.

If in your first 15 posts you have become offended by feedback from your Army News Target audience you must understand that in post 6 of this thread you questioned the intelligence of soldiers (your audience).   Your posts have the potential to be informative, concerning items such as the 20-minute loop or the grassroots of Army News, etc.  

We all know you and your peers have been given a difficult job and received some training.   I personally have been a columnist and copy editor for a Base Newspaper. IMO, I don't think you will set an appropriate tone for good interactive dialogue, by exposing a hard line and making big promises (in your first 15 posts) to an audience who have posted 100s or 1000s times to the various threads on this site.  

Anonymous forums like this one permit members that include veterans, soldiers, former soldiers, cadets and civilians to offer advice, to discuss doctrine, to rant and to brainstorm. If you want to become an investigative reporter or a stool pigeon and report what you read hear as fact to your superiors you jeopardize the reasons that people visit here or more likely you diminish your own credibility and the cause/organization that you represent.

I suggest you sit back a little and sort through the info before you respond.   There is a potential readership of more than 7000 people (10,000 or so years in uniforms) in this forum.   Members of the forum come and go, but many have been around quite a while and do a pretty good job through the DS and Mod functions to police the content.   You have a great opportunity, don't let it be a short-lived one and force people to change the channel or scream for Gene-Gene-the Dancing Machine to â Å“gong you".
Well put. To start, I was not trying to show off or gain confidence purposely, I came off like that because I think I may be a little weaker on the writing side I guess. I agree with you that troops will not be won over in this manner, and I will try to improve y reply methods in the future.
Secondly, I did get offended by a few posts when they discredit myself and I don't believe anyone wants to be made fun of. I am like 1000's of other soldiers out there just doing their best to get it done in this crazy army of ours. I thought it would be a good idea to post some information here to help inform our troops of what is bing offered to them, and to recieve feedback that I could use to improve the system. I am not treating any of this a factual, only when these soldiers email me at my work address, then it becomes a factual discussion. But it does give me a good flavour and some ideas of what the troops are thinking, and that alone is worth these posts.
Lastly, no big promises will be made. We will do the best we can to meet our soldiers needs, and that everyone should know that all of us came from the field at one point, and we feel the system like they do. I will make a concerned effort to be more informative here, and less preaching, and will strive to answer these posts as best as I can. Thanks for the pointers and keep them comming.
 
Retired CC said:
Anchorman,

Like Mark C, I do believe I know you.   I would have been the one approving your crazy claims when you were starting this venture.   (As I recall, no one had a Fin Code, but you REALLY NEEDED TO GET TO OTTAWA RIGHT AWAY).   We got you there.

If you are who I think you are, perhaps you could fill in your profile - your background could gain you great credibility here - on the other hand, if you're NOT who I think you are, then your completed profile may land you in hot water here.

It's your move.
I don't believe I crossed paths with you before and I think you may be thinking of our PPCLI anchor. I am not him. I will review my profile and include a few more things in there to improve my creditibility, but I was trying to leave me out of the equation, and only use my position here to remain anonomous. I dont think additional information will land me in any hot water, unless you know something I don't yet, lol. Thanks for the info and I will add some stuff to my profile.
 
The Anchorman said:
I don't believe I crossed paths with you before and I think you may be thinking of our PPCLI anchor. I am not him. I will review my profile and include a few more things in there to improve my credibility, but I was trying to leave me out of the equation, and only use my position here to remain anonomous. I dont think additional information will land me in any hot water, unless you know something I don't yet, lol. Thanks for the info and I will add some stuff to my profile.

Yup, it's your PPCLI compatriot I was thinking of.

About your profile - many of us use these to gauge our audience when replying, as well as gauging how much "weight" to give an expressed opinion.  At the moment, yours states that your MOC is 541, and you have 18 years of military experience - period.  I strongly suspect you have a Cbt Arms background, and a tour or two or three under your belt.  A quick "resume" helps in establishing your credibility.  I am well aware that you could post anything you want in there - but these types of self-aggrandizers are usually quickly outed, and their credibility destroyed post haste.

I can understand the intention of your organization, and your obvious enthusiasm for your chosen role in it.  It's great to see a BTDT enthusiastic about the military, and attempting to correct those issues which continue to plague our serving soldiers, airmen, and sailors.  However - as my Grampa used to say "good intentions pave the road to hell" - given your (assumed, so far) background, I think you'll understand the scepticism with which you were met when you boldly marched onto the public stage and announced "I'm from Ottawa and I'm here to help you".  Think back to the (grunt? zipperhead? thumperhead? 30 mile sniper?  bird gunner?) you were five short years ago, and how YOU would have greeted such an announcement back then.

Good luck to you - your intentions are, I think, honourable.  Your actions and the results they produce will be the proof of the pudding - eventually.


Retired CC
 
Retired CC said:
Yup, it's your PPCLI compatriot I was thinking of.

About your profile - many of us use these to gauge our audience when replying, as well as gauging how much "weight" to give an expressed opinion.   At the moment, yours states that your MOC is 541, and you have 18 years of military experience - period.   I strongly suspect you have a Cbt Arms background, and a tour or two or three under your belt.   A quick "resume" helps in establishing your credibility.   I am well aware that you could post anything you want in there - but these types of self-aggrandizers are usually quickly outed, and their credibility destroyed post haste.

I can understand the intention of your organization, and your obvious enthusiasm for your chosen role in it.   It's great to see a BTDT enthusiastic about the military, and attempting to correct those issues which continue to plague our serving soldiers, airmen, and sailors.   However - as my Grampa used to say "good intentions pave the road to heck" - given your (assumed, so far) background, I think you'll understand the scepticism with which you were met when you boldly marched onto the public stage and announced "I'm from Ottawa and I'm here to help you".   Think back to the (grunt? zipperhead? thumperhead? 30 mile sniper?   bird gunner?) you were five short years ago, and how YOU would have greeted such an announcement back then.

Good luck to you - your intentions are, I think, honourable.   Your actions and the results they produce will be the proof of the pudding - eventually.


Retired CC
I agree fully. I put a litle more information in my profile, but I don't want to give away all of my secrets, lol. I am on your side, and 2 years ago, I would be the one posting the same replies to the smart ass in Ottawa. I will re-think my answers, and be a little less compassionate when it comes to my comments. Some intentions do pave the road to heck, and your Grampa is a smart guy. Wish he was here to help me with these posts :)
Thanks for the help. And I will continue until Gunner98 boots me out of here, lol.
As for my PPCLI partner in crime, he is rocking the boat at work, and is an assett in our mission to turn things around, I am the sweet talker, he is definately the tough guy. Hopefully between us, we will get this mess cleaned up!!!!
 
Anchorman,

Let me return the complement - your last few posts are well thought out, IMHO, I feel your credibility growing because of your perseverance and honest replies.

You have walked into a crowded forum, a webplace I like to think of as an Anonymous Brotherhood and yes, there are a few smart Sisters in the 'hood, too.   The weak, the profane and the vile tend to disappear if they can't play by the rules or get claustrophobia.   I, Gunner98, am kind of new at this, too.   I have no power, I am not a Mod or a DS and as newbies, you and I get to test the waters, explore the length of the rope (that may eventually hang us) and correspond with a lot of different and some interesting people.

I learn more about the CF I have served in for more than 20 years, every time I open Army.ca web page, it's like a Pandora's Box.   Beware, don't let me or the rest of the crowd push you around, but if you step on toes or mix words you might wake up the sleeping dogs - it might be a nice little doggy or big mean one (swinging a baton or a whip) that chases you trying to bite your soft tender hind cheeks.   We both have the same challenging task - that is to learn who are the pack's Alpha dogs.

By the way, one of your fellow Army News Guys came from my unit (he is an MSE Op).   I wish you well in this challenging venture.   Welcome to the crowded room, it can be a scary place.    

 
At the risk of being repetitious (which has never bothered me before): The long standing problem with public affairs â “ which I think goes back more than 20 years â “ can be solved only through a complete overhaul.  We (being the country) need (at least)* three separate and distinct groups:

1. The MND needs a communications staff who try to 'spin' everything to make him look good or smart.  He is selling a 'product:' himself and his government;

2. The DM needs a public affairs team to explain what the entire Department 'thinks' and does to all Canadians, including other branches of government, and including, also, the people (civilian and military) in DND.  The DM, rather like the MND is 'selling' a product â “ national defence; and

3. The CDS needs a public information staff to tell Canadians, including members of the CF, about the CF.  He, too, is 'selling' a product â “ the military.

The three products are separate and distinct and each should be 'sold' by a separate, specialist staff working from broad, general corporate guidelines â “ rather in the way that Wendy's International Inc has several quite independent PR staffs â “ one to 'sell' the corporation and to guide the others and a separate one to 'sell' Wendy's and another to 'sell' Tim Hortons and still others to 'sell' Baja Fresh, Pasta Pomodoro etc.

The position of ADM Communications is both wasteful (inefficient) and ineffective but change is hard because the Minister's staff is terrified that someone may go â ?off messageâ ? if not tightly controlled.  The end result is that no-one is able to 'sell' their product â “ not even the MND, himself.  That, in part, is why the CDS elected to go 'over the heads' of the Department's communications machine and talk directly to soldiers and Canadians â “ he knew that the 'filter' would be unable to retain the essence of his message while it massaged the presentation.

Neither the CF or DND are well known, much less understood and esteemed by Canadians.  That's because the DND/CF 'message' doesn't get sold; it gets wrapped up in the larger government 'message' â “ diversity, environmentalism, etc, etc, etc, ad infinitum.

DND has a very poor reputation inside government: it is considered to be badly managed, especially re: the apparently perpetual habit of crying wolf: saying â Å“the cupboards are bareâ ? and then, when pressed, finding resources for just one more task.  Senior bureaucrats in Finance and the Treasury believe, to this day, that DND still has 'fat' which should be cut before more money is poured in.  That's because the Department, unlike almost all other government departments, does not sell itself to the nation and the rest of the government â “ a mistake not made by e.g. Agriculture Canada, Business Development Bank of Canada, Canadian Wheat Board and so on, down through to Western Economic Diversification Canada  That's because the ADM (Communications) operation doesn't operate very well â “ it is neither efficient nor effective.

I'm with Gunner98: I learn more here, at army.ca, than I do from all the bumph DND makes available â “ broadly (through the press) and narrowly (by direct mailings to selected audiences).
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* Arguably the ADM(Mat) needs his own specialized, responsible public affairs team to 'manage' the 'news' about big capital projects and e.g. Chicoutimi style incidents.
 
If you are doing an Army News show, you have to do segements on the Aftermarket Kit world.  Perhaps go through a 5-10 minutes spiel on a few peices of kit from good designers and get some soldiers at the coal face to review it, show advantages/disadvantages, and say how it is better/worse then the current loadout.

Like those Speedvision shows on Cars and 4X4s that highlight products - this is something I'd tune in for.
 
Sorry you can't help me with where I work. I work on the blue end of the equation and only 1 Can Air Div can knock this building down and at least give us new digs. Hillier was here last month but he was kept away from the building.  Same with the PM and others. If you are doing the via internet. Please make it baseline acessable. Those people (MSE,  EME, Medical, Engineers etc) Who are at these locations and are eventually heading back to the reality of the ARMY should be kept in the loop.

I would hate to see this endeavour become like the maple leaf. I see empty news paper boxes everywhere.
Also just for giggle. I wrote a letter to the Maple Leaf during its first issues hoping that it wouldn't turn into another Sentinel. It was published and I was promised it wouldn't. It did. I lost faith in the Public Affairs branch. Who as it was mentioned earlier do to little proactive work.

 
The wartime Maple Leaf and the Der Kanadier newspaper were different breeds.   The Sentinel during the 80s was good for morale.   It went fluffy then it disappeared because it was "too expensive to produce in a glossy format."   Then we were flooded with DNews2000, Personnel Newsletters, Safety Digests, and Director of Official Languages - expensive, uninformative, civilian-run fluffy crap.   The Air Force Safety Digest used to provide some wonderful true to life articles about accidents, incidents and prevention efforts.   I don't know if it is still around or not I only ever saw it in the last 10 years on the racks by the elevators in NDHQ.

NDHQ and the Army now only publish policy amendments and Routine Orders on-line.   For the average soldier who does not see a computer screen at work or in the field is out of the loop.   To think that a 20-minute national Army news loop will tell him what he needs to know, is short sighted, but a step in the right direction.   The Civilian HR people and the Base learning centres want to provide kiosks where soldiers and civ employees can plug in to upload info.   There are fewer troop/company parades and the Commander's Hour has turned into multi-media, PowerPoint sleepfests.  

The idea of a paperless office and on-line news works only when you are plugged in and don't have to fight with firewalls and DIN access.   That is why Army.ca works - 7000+ people sharing concerns, ideas and advice from the privacy of their own home.   Have you ever tried to send a question to an on-line DND Help site, your question usually is sent back through the chain of command unanswered.
 
Anchor Man and others a word to the wise on catching s$!t for what you post here. I was confronted by a member of the CFRC in my town for comments made on this site (I was completely forthcoming in my profile). My comments were not out of line by any streach of the imagination, they were however perceived to be made in a negative light by the person who confronted me (in person at my civilian job).

This happened a few years back, I spoke to my CO directly about it (we're a small unit) and he said not to worry about it even for a minute. Though for others that interact more directly with the powers that be in Ottawa, comments made here may come back to you. If you wouldn't say it to their face, don't say it here would be my advice.

I receive the Army News DVD's (being the Unit PAO) and think they are a good product, I try to put them on when time and resources allow( while cleaning weapons on the parade square, unit functions - open houses, recruiting tool to demonstrate that we are an evolving organisation and not the employer of last resort). Could they be better, sure they could but perfect product right out of the gates is rare thing.

AnchorMan ...I too think I know you and wanted to say thanks for the lift down to EXCON during Stalwart Guardian last year...keep up the good work.
 
Gunner98 said:
Anchorman,

Let me return the complement - your last few posts are well thought out, IMHO, I feel your credibility growing because of your perseverance and honest replies.

You have walked into a crowded forum, a webplace I like to think of as an Anonymous Brotherhood and yes, there are a few smart Sisters in the 'hood, too.   The weak, the profane and the vile tend to disappear if they can't play by the rules or get claustrophobia.   I, Gunner98, am kind of new at this, too.   I have no power, I am not a Mod or a DS and as newbies, you and I get to test the waters, explore the length of the rope (that may eventually hang us) and correspond with a lot of different and some interesting people.

I learn more about the CF I have served in for more than 20 years, every time I open Army.ca web page, it's like a Pandora's Box.   Beware, don't let me or the rest of the crowd push you around, but if you step on toes or mix words you might wake up the sleeping dogs - it might be a nice little doggy or big mean one (swinging a baton or a whip) that chases you trying to bite your soft tender hind cheeks.   We both have the same challenging task - that is to learn who are the pack's Alpha dogs.

By the way, one of your fellow Army News Guys came from my unit (he is an MSE Op).   I wish you well in this challenging venture.   Welcome to the crowded room, it can be a scary place.    
Thanks for the post. I hope none of the sleeping dogs wake up :)
 
Infanteer said:
If you are doing an Army News show, you have to do segements on the Aftermarket Kit world.   Perhaps go through a 5-10 minutes spiel on a few peices of kit from good designers and get some soldiers at the coal face to review it, show advantages/disadvantages, and say how it is better/worse then the current loadout.

Like those Speedvision shows on Cars and 4X4s that highlight products - this is something I'd tune in for.
Do you have any suggestions on where to start, or something in mind? I would be happy to take it on.
 
mover1 said:
Sorry you can't help me with where I work. I work on the blue end of the equation and only 1 Can Air Div can knock this building down and at least give us new digs. Hillier was here last month but he was kept away from the building.   Same with the PM and others. If you are doing the via internet. Please make it baseline acessable. Those people (MSE,   EME, Medical, Engineers etc) Who are at these locations and are eventually heading back to the reality of the ARMY should be kept in the loop.

I would hate to see this endeavour become like the maple leaf. I see empty news paper boxes everywhere.
Also just for giggle. I wrote a letter to the Maple Leaf during its first issues hoping that it wouldn't turn into another Sentinel. It was published and I was promised it wouldn't. It did. I lost faith in the Public Affairs branch. Who as it was mentioned earlier do to little proactive work.
We are working on making it baseline accessable, but we are waiting for a new server to do this. Should take about another month to happen. As for your building, try submitting a UCR thru the safety net to demolish that piece of crap bldg your in, it may help. Thanks for the post.
 
Devlin said:
Anchor Man and others a word to the wise on catching s$!t for what you post here. I was confronted by a member of the CFRC in my town for comments made on this site (I was completely forthcoming in my profile). My comments were not out of line by any streach of the imagination, they were however perceived to be made in a negative light by the person who confronted me (in person at my civilian job).

This happened a few years back, I spoke to my CO directly about it (we're a small unit) and he said not to worry about it even for a minute. Though for others that interact more directly with the powers that be in Ottawa, comments made here may come back to you. If you wouldn't say it to their face, don't say it here would be my advice.

I receive the Army News DVD's (being the Unit PAO) and think they are a good product, I try to put them on when time and resources allow( while cleaning weapons on the parade square, unit functions - open houses, recruiting tool to demonstrate that we are an evolving organisation and not the employer of last resort). Could they be better, sure they could but perfect product right out of the gates is rare thing.

AnchorMan ...I too think I know you and wanted to say thanks for the lift down to EXCON during Stalwart Guardian last year...keep up the good work.
I agree with you to the letter. I only say things here that I am prepared or have already stated to the organizations and people that I speak of. But you are correct, and I will be a little cautious when speaking openly in here.
No problem for the ride, and stay cool on this years Ex in Petawawa in the upcomming weeks.
 
Edward Campbell said:
At the risk of being repetitious (which has never bothered me before): The long standing problem with public affairs â “ which I think goes back more than 20 years â “ can be solved only through a complete overhaul.   We (being the country) need (at least)* three separate and distinct groups:

1. The MND needs a communications staff who try to 'spin' everything to make him look good or smart.   He is selling a 'product:' himself and his government;

2. The DM needs a public affairs team to explain what the entire Department 'thinks' and does to all Canadians, including other branches of government, and including, also, the people (civilian and military) in DND.   The DM, rather like the MND is 'selling' a product â “ national defence; and

3. The CDS needs a public information staff to tell Canadians, including members of the CF, about the CF.   He, too, is 'selling' a product â “ the military.

The three products are separate and distinct and each should be 'sold' by a separate, specialist staff working from broad, general corporate guidelines â “ rather in the way that Wendy's International Inc has several quite independent PR staffs â “ one to 'sell' the corporation and to guide the others and a separate one to 'sell' Wendy's and another to 'sell' Tim Hortons and still others to 'sell' Baja Fresh, Pasta Pomodoro etc.

The position of ADM Communications is both wasteful (inefficient) and ineffective but change is hard because the Minister's staff is terrified that someone may go â ?off messageâ ? if not tightly controlled.   The end result is that no-one is able to 'sell' their product â “ not even the MND, himself.   That, in part, is why the CDS elected to go 'over the heads' of the Department's communications machine and talk directly to soldiers and Canadians â “ he knew that the 'filter' would be unable to retain the essence of his message while it massaged the presentation.

Neither the CF or DND are well known, much less understood and esteemed by Canadians.   That's because the DND/CF 'message' doesn't get sold; it gets wrapped up in the larger government 'message' â “ diversity, environmentalism, etc, etc, etc, ad infinitum.

DND has a very poor reputation inside government: it is considered to be badly managed, especially re: the apparently perpetual habit of crying wolf: saying â Å“the cupboards are bareâ ? and then, when pressed, finding resources for just one more task.   Senior bureaucrats in Finance and the Treasury believe, to this day, that DND still has 'fat' which should be cut before more money is poured in.   That's because the Department, unlike almost all other government departments, does not sell itself to the nation and the rest of the government â “ a mistake not made by e.g. Agriculture Canada, Business Development Bank of Canada, Canadian Wheat Board and so on, down through to Western Economic Diversification Canada   That's because the ADM (Communications) operation doesn't operate very well â “ it is neither efficient nor effective.

I'm with Gunner98: I learn more here, at army.ca, than I do from all the bumph DND makes available â “ broadly (through the press) and narrowly (by direct mailings to selected audiences).
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* Arguably the ADM(Mat) needs his own specialized, responsible public affairs team to 'manage' the 'news' about big capital projects and e.g. Chicoutimi style incidents.
This is a very well laid out and thought out description of the past and current states of the PAFF world. They indeed require restructure, and if I could have your permission, I would like to print this out(remove your name if you want me to) and show this to the senior staff in ADMPA and Army Public Affairs next week. I think a letter like this one may start the ball rolling towards some improvement and possible restructure.
No, I do not believe it will stop the press or cause huge changes overnight, but I do feel your summary is exactly what we need to submit to the top brass, and allow them to review and comment on. I thank you for posting this comment, and will await for your reply on if I can use this next week.
 
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