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Justin.D

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Hello everyone,
I'm currently well on my way through the CEOTP Pilot application process - which I started a little late it seems.  I've done quite a bit of hoop jumping (Grade 12 Physics in 5 weeks after being out of Highschool for 8 years was quite interesting) and am waiting to get listed for ASC this coming week (July 16-20). 

Unfortunately, some of the hoops I had to jump through included dealing with a stubborn surgeon and a rather uncoordinated lab (forms/blood test).  As such, I was a bit delayed getting the forms back to the Medical Technician and am still waiting to get the results back from Ottawa so I can get put on the list for ASC. 

I'm crossing my fingers for even being listed for ASC in time (ie, today or tomorrow), let alone getting a study guide. 

So my question - finally - is whether or not anyone who has gone through the process can provide a general idea as to what the Study Guide contains - unless of course you're not allowed to disclose such information. 

I have a general idea of basic flight instruments (heading, attitude, roll, altitude, climb rate, airspeed) and aircraft controls, have been up for about an our of flight over the past 2-3 years and will be doing another familiarization flight tomorrow evening just to pay more attention to the instrumentation. 

I understand completely if details of the study guide can't be disclosed, but I figure asking was worth a shot!

Thanks in advance.

Regards,
  Justin

PS - I'd like to add that I am extremely impressed by how helpful/accommodating everyone at CFRC Oshawa has been with my application process.  It's been quite rushed from day one and I wouldn't have made it this far without Captain MacFarlane, MCpl Rafuse, P02 MacDonald going - in my opinion - above and beyond to assist me.  Regardless of what happens, I'm very gracious to have had the experience of dealing with such professional and helpful gentlemen along the way.  I cannot thank them enough.
 
Scratch that, paperwork didn't get to/from Ottawa in time.  Not listed for ASC.

Maybe next year.

Thanks anyway!
 
Got the call today saying I'm medically fit.  I will be doing ASC August 13th then crossing my fingers that they will hold another selection board before September 20.

ASC/CFAT results are good for quite some time apparently, so I guess it makes sense to get it taken care of this summer so all I will need to re-do is an interview/medical when I re-apply for next year.

To anyone actually reading this and going through similar delays; keep positive and stay focused, if it's what you really want then you will find a way to make it happen.  The ONLY thing that should stand between you and what you want - during the recruitment process at least - are medical conditions that are beyond your control... everything else you can study / prepare for, improve, change, obtain etc.

Life is chess, not checkers.

Cheers.

- Justin
 
Justin.D said:
Got the call today saying I'm medically fit.  I will be doing ASC August 13th then crossing my fingers that they will hold another selection board before September 20.

ASC/CFAT results are good for quite some time apparently, so I guess it makes sense to get it taken care of this summer so all I will need to re-do is an interview/medical when I re-apply for next year.

To anyone actually reading this and going through similar delays; keep positive and stay focused, if it's what you really want then you will find a way to make it happen.  The ONLY thing that should stand between you and what you want - during the recruitment process at least - are medical conditions that are beyond your control... everything else you can study / prepare for, improve, change, obtain etc.

Life is chess, not checkers.

Cheers.

- Justin


I have my Interview/Medical tomorrow.  Hoping everything goes smoothly and maybe i may see you at ASC?  Not sure if they could move me along that quickly. 

Ken
 
Justin.D said:
Got the call today saying I'm medically fit.  I will be doing ASC August 13th then crossing my fingers that they will hold another selection board before September 20


I'm currently Merit Listed and waiting for the selection board to sit for CEOTP.  August 10th is the the day apparently.  From what I understand, (coming from a reliable source), there MAY possibly be another round of selections after this date as they may have trouble filling all the spots due to the last minute rollout of this new Seneca program.  Of course I m speculating to a certain extent, but that's the way it LOOKS at the moment.  Hang in there, it may work out!!

I wouldn't waste your money renting a plane and an instructor for an hour.  That's $200/hr for a C172, and believe me, CAPSS flies nothing like a real airplane anyways.  You'd be better off to get microsoft flight sim, some controls,  and familiarize yourself with the basic flight controls, Instruments, and learn how to utilize an effective scan of your instruments.  An effective scan is crucial.  And remember, crosscheck crosscheck crosscheck!!!!

Goodluck, and let us know how you make out!


Cheers

 
Justin.D said:
So my question - finally - is whether or not anyone who has gone through the process can provide a general idea as to what the Study Guide contains - unless of course you're not allowed to disclose such information. 

If you know already what each basic instrument does and that your main instrument is the attitude indicator, then the study guide won't teach you anything.

Keep your cool in the CAPSS, the maneuvers you'll have to execute are extremely simple, but the "airplane" is very unstable, so a quick and efficient instrument scan is essential. Forget about the rudder pedals, they are so sensitive it seems to me that it might be better to keep your feet on the floor.

Good luck!
 
For the sake of keeping things updated, my trip to Trenton was pushed back another week due to the August 13th ASC session filling up before I was able to be placed on the list.

So I'll be there next Sunday (the 19th); if anyone else is going to be doing their ASC the same week, chime in!

On a side note, I applied privately to Seneca's FPR program as well and have been accepted into it for this coming academic year.  If I don't manage to get into the forces this year, I'm contemplating completing whatever courses at Seneca would have been required by the CF privately - upon the approval of a recruiter/someone higher up.  This would be a fairly large gamble since if I don't get in NEXT year, I will have wasted a year at Seneca instead of finishing my Finance degree.

Something to ponder at least.  Wonder if my pig-headed determination is worth anything during the selection boards?  ;)

Cheers!
 
Justin.D said:
Wonder if my pig-headed determination is worth anything during the selection boards?  ;)

The interview is a big part of your overall score. When someone has a lot of determination, it shows during an interview. So yeah, it should be worth something on the selection board.  ;)

Good luck in Trenton.
 
Well I somehow managed to pass CAPSS and make my way through the medical testing.
Met the standards for Pilot and AEC.

15 fine gentlemen started the week, 8 made it through CAPSS, only 2 made it through DRDC (bunch of tall guys in my group).  I would have been quite upset if I made it that far and was told I fit in everything EXCEPT the Grob.

It was a fantastic experience that I hope I never have to go through again.

Now I get to hurry up and wait to be merit listed, then wait for another selection board.

Thanks for following along!

Regards,
  Justin
 
Congrats!
2 out of 15 is pretty brutal!
All of the guys who didn't fit into the Grob were rejected?

7 out of 7 got through ASC and DRDC when I was there...
5 of the 7 guys were selected for pilot through ROTP. (4 in RMC and 1 civiU).
One of the guy wasn't fit for the Grob but he was told he would be good to go anyway. I think he won't have to wear a helmet for PFT or something like that.

 
Justin.D said:
15 fine gentlemen started the week, 8 made it through CAPSS, only 2 made it through DRDC (bunch of tall guys in my group).

Were they using the "stand here in your underwear while we take pictures" method or doing it the old way and physically taking measurements? Someone I spoke to recently that was told they were too big for the Grob also mentioned that the anthropometric measuring equipment was not working at DRDC when he was there.
 
2010newbie, they did both measurements while I was there.  Manual and automated.  I was told I was borderline by both methods, and was subsequently told that borderline was acceptable (seems to be a recurring theme in my application process).

trampbike, Thank you!  And yes, the gentlemen who didn't fit in the Grob were most definitely rejected.  Maybe since there are so many viable candidates they can be more picky than normal.  I feel horrible for them and hope there's some recourse for them. 
 
Do you know approximately how tall these "tall guys" were?? I'm about 6'4" and have been scared about my height the whole time. Waiting to be scheduled for ASC now.
 
It's all about proportions at DRDC.
I'm 6' and was told I was borderline for the Grob.

The guys that were told were too tall were all taller than me, some by a small amount, others by more.  The shortest guy in our group was 5'10", so we had a tall bunch of fellas.    The important measurement is from your rear end (the chair) to the top of your head, while seated - guess I have a long torso if I'm borderline at 6' even.

Sorry to spook you, friend.  I'm sure that if the ONLY thing you're to tall for is the Grob then there must be something that can be done.

Out of curiousity, what entry plan are you applying under?

Cheers, good luck, and remember... CROSSCHECK CROSSCHECK CROSSCHECK!
 
Alright, I found some measurement requirements online for the USAF and just made it for torso length so maybe there's hope. I applied under DEO; not many spots left for this year but new fiscal year for hiring starts in April so not too long of a wait if I don't get in this year.
 
Got the call on Monday.
Swearing in Tomorrow (Thursday), and BMOQ starts Saturday. 

Extremely short notice but I wasn't about to turn down such a great opportunity!

If anyone else is arriving at BMOQ on Saturday, message me.

Cheers.

- Justin
 
Congrats!!

Good luck in St-Jean. It can be very fun if you show up with the good attitude.
I graduated a month ago, so feel free to PM me if you have any questions regarding BMOQ.
 
Hey Justin!

when you have a chance, let us know how BMOQ is going for you!

All the best!
 
Justin.D said:
Cheers, good luck, and remember... CROSSCHECK CROSSCHECK CROSSCHECK!

Just want to be sure what CROSSCHECK actually means.  From doing some reading online, I take this as meaning you set your aircraft to a certain speed, altitude, etc and rechecking the instrumentation to ensure that those settings are correct? Thanks!
 
estoguy said:
Just want to be sure what CROSSCHECK actually means.  From doing some reading online, I take this as meaning you set your aircraft to a certain speed, altitude, etc and rechecking the instrumentation to ensure that those settings are correct? Thanks!

Basically it means scanning the instruments and not fixating for too long on any particular one. In straight and level flight, my scan typically goes from attitude indicator - altimeter - attitude indicator - airspeed indicator - attitude indicator - heading indicator - attitude indicator. Wash, rinse, repeat. When turning or climbing/descending, I work the turn co-ordinator and VSI into the scan as well.
 
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