Average Education?

[GGHG_Cadet]

So I was sitting in my Careers class today and I was made to take a Career Matchmaker test, and my top three choices were Infantry, Explosive Specialist and Military Officer. It has been my plan to join a Regular Force infantry unit as an NCO after I'm done school. I plan to make a career out of the infantry.  I'm still wondering if I should join after high school or after post secondary school. I'd just like to see what type of education most Reg. Force guys have.

So what was your education when you joined?

 

[D-n-A]

You won't be joining the infantry as a NCO.



Edit
Might as well answer the original question

I only have High School, an I'm transfering to the regular force.

 

[GGHG_Cadet]

Sorry, I guess it's just cadets who use NCO and NCM interchangeably. I never know when to use NCO or NCM.

 

[badsector]

I just graduated from Centennial College and recently in the process of joining the Reserves as an NCM.

 

[meni0n]

NCM and I got high school. Now.. what's a Military Officer?

 

[D-n-A]

Now.. what's a Military Officer?

Probably just a vague career choice on his career matchmaker test, same as explosive specialist.

 

[Michael OLeary]

GGHG cadet,

your poll isn't going to produce any credible result because it fails to differentiate between the Officer and NCM streams, or between recent or older enrolment entry programs.

Many officers will have Bachelor's degrees, some will have more, but many still in the system may not have degrees because they weren't a hard requirement until a few years ago. The current requirement is for officers to have a degree or participate in an entry program that will grant one, so you could have officer responses both with and without post-secondary education.

Most NCM/NCOs will have completed High School even if only because those who graduated will probably have merit listed higher for enrolment than those who have not, but some will have not. Others will have University degrees. NCM entry programs may not require completion of of High School, but they also do not restrict those with post-seciondary education from enrolling in NCM programs; so NCM responders will be spread throughout your set of choices.

What question were you seeking to answer with your data collection? Perhaps we can help you develop a more useful question and set of choices.

 

[GGHG_Cadet]

Basically I'm trying to figure out if it would benefit me to go to Post-Secondary school if I'm just going to join the Infantry as an NCM. I was just trying to see how many people felt it necessary to go further than high school and then join. I guess I should have been a lot more specific because thinking about it now I wanted to survey Infantry NCOs.

I'd like to make a career out of the Infantry so right now I'm debating to go for a degree or straight in. Eventually I'd like to get a degree and maybe be commissoned but I don't know how easy that would be just because of things like deployment or taskings. Looking at the Army's continuing education site it seems like you can only get a degree that matches your trade. Some input from anybody who has done this would be welcome.

Thank for your help Mr. O'Leary

 

[Sgt. Toms-Cadets]

I'm trying to figure out if it would benefit me to go to Post-Secondary school if I'm just going to join the Infantry as an NCM...

I am not yet in the armed forces but I think I can venture to atleast attempt to help you out with your little dilemna. I myself am already in the process of applying for ROTP and RMC.

I suggest when making your decision about your degree you should ask yourself whether or not it is something you can use in your specific trade. You say you want to make a career out of the infantry, I am not trying to ask you to close doors but it's not a requirment that you have a degree to be a regular infantry soldier. However I would like to strongly suggest you get it anyway because depending on your personality you may feel that being an infantry officer is a viable option for you. I am not sure if you knew about the infantry offier so I do apologize if I am re hashing information you alraedy know. I personally think that a person as committed sounding as you should go the extra mile to get your degree and go in as an infantry officer.

Remember if for some reason you end up not staying in the military you can still use your degree for the appropiate civilian profession.

I hope I managed to help out in some way.

 

[GGHG_Cadet]

You basically just summed up how I feel at the moment. I would like to become an NCM so there doesn't seem much point in getting a degree but I think I should have something to fall back on, i.e. a degree. At the same time I may eventually feel that I would want to be commissioned from the ranks.

 

[23007]

Looking at the Army's continuing education site it seems like you can only get a degree that matches your trade. Some input from anybody who has done this would be welcome.

You do not need a degree to match your trade unless you are in an engineering trade (i.e, AERE, EME, CE...etc). I have a Business Degree and I'm a pilot...They have NOTHING to do with the other...

 

[Maritime_Matt]

BA in English. Made the dean's list. Just got an offer for INF.

 

[Michael OLeary]

You do not need a degree to match your trade unless you are in an engineering trade (i.e, AERE, EME, CE...etc). I have a Business Degree and I'm a pilot...They have NOTHING to do with the other...

But wait until you're a Squadron 2IC, just think of how easy that Business Planning is going to be.  ;-)

 

[Daidalous]

Go to school,  there is a guy at my unit that got his Cpl's  18 months early because he went to school.. thats  18 months at about 400  a month.    School  does pay

 

[23007]

But wait until you're a Squadron 2IC, just think of how easy that Business Planning is going to be.    ;-)

Too bad I brain dumped everything the moment I walked away from my final exam

 

[Old Ranger]

Your Poll should include;
Still in School, for those Reservists.

Get as much education as you can.
Even if it is through correspondance.

Ben

 

[Kat Stevens]

Maybe you could reword " high school dropout" to " did not complete highschool".  Not all of us had much choice,  but I ranted on this elsewhere.... >

 

[jarhead1979]

This posting is in reply to the admin staff "slimy"   who told an anti-military poster to check his facts on education.   At a military conference in 1998, a report was issued about the sorry state of leadership and education in Canada's military.   The author writes...

"Ours became a military that prided itself on its inability to think. And ours was a military that in the mid-1990s had only half its officers with undergraduate degrees and only seven percent with graduate degrees. This despite the fact that in 1947, Chief of the General Staff Charles Foulkes (one of few officers then with a BA) argued that the technological nature of war required that all officers have a degree."
((From an article "Conference of Defence Associations Institute: First Annual Graduate Student Symposium.   (CANADA) 13-14 November 1998"))

This article was about officers' lack of edcuation, but it safe to assume that statistics for lower ranking soldiers would even lower.   This only proves most Canadians' suspicions: that most soldiers and recruits are unintellectual, even the ranking officers. How sad.   Regular Canadians have university degrees (about 2/3 according to StatsCan) Education might be subsidized by the military, but soldiers aren't interested in it.   It says alot.

Face it: The CF is little more than a repository for   lost young Canadians.   Ottawa wants to send them overseas to kill or be killed, at public expense no less!   Very, very sad indeed.

Signed,
antiwarguy

MOD NOTE: This is the same moron who has posted crap and been banned under two names already, I'm going to leave this here for SERIOUS rebuttal only. The fact he's an idiot has all ready been made crystal clear by the poster himself.
Thanks

 

[mdh]

This posting is in reply to the admin staff "slimy"  who told an anti-military poster to check his facts on education.  At a military conference in 1998, a report was issued about the sorry state of leadership and education in Canada's military.  The author writes...

"Ours became a military that prided itself on its inability to think. And ours was a military that in the mid-1990s had only half its officers with undergraduate degrees and only seven percent with graduate degrees. This despite the fact that in 1947, Chief of the General Staff Charles Foulkes (one of few officers then with a BA) argued that the technological nature of war required that all officers have a degree."
((From an article "Conference of Defence Associations Institute: First Annual Graduate Student Symposium.  (CANADA) 13-14 November 1998"))

This article was about officers' lack of edcuation, but it safe to assume that statistics for lower ranking soldiers would even lower.  This only proves most Canadians' suspicions: that most soldiers and recruits are unintellectual, even the ranking officers. How sad.  Regular Canadians have university degrees (about 2/3 according to StatsCan) Education might be subsidized by the military, but soldiers aren't interested in it.  It says alot.

Face it: The CF is little more than a repository for  lost young Canadians.  Ottawa wants to send them overseas to kill or be killed, at public expense no less!  Very, very sad indeed.

Signed,
antiwarguy

Well I think the first clue to this individual's true intellectual capacity is the sophomoric play on "slimy" har har (with apologies to the relentlessly fair Slim). IIRC the Toronto Sun columnist George Jonas once observed that thousands of so-called "intellectual" university students were simply not smart enough to deal with the ideas that were passed on to them by their professors; there is plenty of posturing and rote sloganeering on the campus, sure - but no sustained ability to deal with the great arguments of the day with even a modicum of analysis or critical self-reflection. 

"Jarhead" displays the usual symptoms of the not very clever "intellectual" - setting up a non-sequitar - the alleged lack of intellectual capacity in the CF - and crudely linking it to his or her anti-war stance. Actually it's not an argument at all - and not even a cogent observation - it's nothing more than gratuitous insult disguised as an argument. (My guess is that "Jarhead" is not anti-war anyway - he probably supports the insurgents' use of violence against the west much in the same way as George Galloway supported the Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan.)

Moreover his attempt to juxstaposition the CF's weak brain power with Canadian society is also simply wrong - 2 out of 3 Canadians do not possess a university degree.

I think once this poster has improved his education, did more reading, and worked hard at presenting strong arguments in favour of pacificism based on fact - then maybe they should be allowed back on the forums. 

cheers, mdh

 

[Infanteer]

Nice work MDH.  :cheers: