Baby Boomers vs Millenials

[kratz]

Now the truth comes out for the generations.

Professionals who won' retire, and union staff who won't retire.

Top end for both groups has forced one generation to "make due"
and the next generation is not willing to put up with it.

Politics still boils down to who is paying for it.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

You're the one claiming the standards are rigourous for the sake of safety.  I am saying that knowing words (seems like it is part of the current standard and what is at issues) will not help that in the hairdressing world.  Practical assessments go a much longer way...

And you cover all practicalities of a trade with physically testing instead, is that your premise?

How long is this 'exam' supposed to last? How many people, testers, testees, training aids are going to be required to ensure that the person has the correct knowledge in order to ensure his customers are safe and satisfied? Are they going to be tested on diseases? Hygiene? How big is this room and how much equipment will be required. Don't forget, all this stuff is only for a single exam. A barber test used to consist of shaving off all the shaving cream from a fully inflated and covered balloon with a straight razor. If you could do that, you were a barber, at least in Italy. That sounds like where you want to go back to.

 

[SupersonicMax]

We are talking about barbers, not doctors.  Don't need to make it sound like it's rocket science. Yes, in a practical exam, you can assess a sample of practical exercises to make a broader determination on the overall level of competence, especially on critical items such as health and safety.  You don't need to know the intricacies of the possible diseases to know that you need to keep your tool disinfected to avoid them.

 

[mariomike]

And that is a example of one government organization which many could easily argue are overpaid and receive too much in benefits (as paraphrased, your given much more now than you ever received in the past for the same job with less requirements for the job).

Whether too much, or too little too late, I suppose it would depend on if the employee was a Baby Boomer or Millenial. 

This helps illustrate that the collective agreement for Millenials has improved from what the Baby Boomers had,

QUOTE

From the Ontario WSIB site,

On April 6, 2016 the Ontario Government amended the Workplace Safety and Insurance Act (WSIA) with the passage of Bill 163 titled Supporting Ontario’s First Responders Act (Posttraumatic Stress Disorder), 2016.

As a result, if a first responder or other designated worker covered by the legislation is diagnosed with Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) by a psychiatrist or psychologist and makes a claim for benefits, the WSIB must presume the condition is work-related, unless the contrary is shown.

END QUOTE

What that means in my former union ( I retired in 2009 ) is,

QUOTE

Employees who are placed in a permanent alternate position, due to an occupational injury/illness (as defined by the Workplace Safety & Insurance Board), will be subject to the normal assessment period and will receive the wage rate of the position to which they are assigned. If the pre-injury rate of pay is higher than the relocated position rate, then the pre-injury rate is to be maintained. It is understood that the pre-injury rate is subject to all wage increases negotiated.

END QUOTE

ie: A paramedic placed into a suitable ( as there is no "comparable" ) permanent alternate position ( such Ferry Ticket Collector, Deckhand, Mail Car Driver, Marine Oiler, Farm Attendant, Heavy Equipment Operator, Arena / Pool Operator - the list of low / semi-skilled jobs with the City is endless ) will be paid as a paramedic, with all the annual wage increases, until they retire. 

You can ask to be trained for placement into a more demanding job classification eg: mechanic, millwright, electrician, plumber, Electrical Instrumentation Control Technician ( EICT ) etc.

They do have highly-skilled technical jobs available, but there is no financial incentive for the employee to accept them, as your pre-injury wage is protected, and higher than anything they have to offer. You may also stay on the department as a non-operational paramedic such as Community Paramedicine etc.

 

[Good2Golf]

Health care is important enough that doctors should receive as much help as they can, including patient referrals from competent, certified hair and scalp care professionals.

:2c:

Regards,
G2G

*edit*

My apologies to the forum, I forgot to add a smilie to my post.    :sarcasm:

 

[SupersonicMax]

Yes and I am sure the specifics of skin cancer and dermitis doesn't need to be memorized to be effective at detecting it.

 

[kratz]

Health care is important enough that doctors should receive as much help as they can, including patient referrals from competent, certified hair and scalp care professionals.

In my situation, after so many moves...I have nobody who knows my Head, Bones, Groans or other Eyes.
My history adds up to who is assessing me today. As a civy spouse, this sucks.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Back to millennials - a great OPINION piece from (satirist) Alexandra Petri from the WAPO.  Please do not turn this into another gun control discussion - the rest of what she has to say has some bearing on the original topic at hand:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2018/03/29/i-am-sick-of-these-kids-demanding-safe-spaces/?utm_term=.d45b1d8db8e7

I am sick of these kids demanding safe spaces
By Alexandra Petri March 29


Safe spaces! Back in my day, all we had were dangerous spaces. People would call you names that would turn your ears blue. Everyone had measles, mumps and rubella, just as a matter of course, and we did not go crawling to our family physicians for so-called vaccines. Disease was a ritual of childhood. We toughed it out. We built character.

We did not have satellite radio or the Internet. We had to make our own electricity by rubbing sticks together. Everyone had six guns apiece, which we used to fight world wars. (There has not been a good world war for too long, and kids have gotten needlessly soft.) When children misbehaved, their parents were strongly encouraged to hit them with a rod.

Nobody wore safety belts. The water was full of mercury. The fish were full of sewage. Nobody recycled ANYTHING. When someone fell ill, you just hoped and prayed. (More things should be resolved that way: not with regulations or attempts at solutions but by wishing and hoping and thinking and praying. That was good enough for us, and any change in the world since then has been a change for the worse.)

We used to crawl to school uphill both ways in blinding snowstorms. We used to drink water from lead pipes. Some children still do this, but not nearly enough of them. There was smog in the air as thick as a man’s fist. You could smoke on airplanes. In fact, you were encouraged to do so. It was this pointless suffering that made me who I am.

Dare I deny these benefits to the children of today?

I look at kids these days and I despair. They need to man up and solve their own problems. They need to stop demanding to be coddled. Children now are bad and soft, and far too few of them have experienced the grit developed by being needlessly exposed to communicable diseases, or urged to ride bicycles without helmets.

Now, suddenly, they want to get rid of guns, too. The one thing I know is that we cannot stop guns. There is no point in discussing that; that is an immutable aspect of human nature. Children need to toughen up and learn how to care for themselves. They should learn CPR. And they need to stop using rude words when they respond to me, specifically, although I get to use those words back, as it will make them stronger and hardier.

If we let these kids have their way, soon there will not be danger anywhere. They will be able to go to school in the morning and feel confident that they will be able to come home in the evening. This is a radical thing to ask. I remember no such certainty. It is, therefore, undesirable. These children are weak. I do not want my children to live in a better world than the world that I grew up in, or the one we live in now. That would be to admit that things have progressed, and I do not admit that.

That is what conservatism means to me: the ability to pass the dangers and privations of my life on to the generation that will come after. The hope that their lives will be, if not actively worse than mine, then certainly no better. The idea that I suffered not because there were no better choices but because the suffering was inherently good.

If anyone were to think differently, that would be the real tragedy. Children are weak. They are whiners. They deserve my mockery.

If I were forced to spend a single day in which I did not insult the youth, that would be the real tragedy. If I had to let any argument I disagreed with go unanswered, because attacking a child would be ghoulish — that would be letting them win.

I am sick of these children and their demands for safe spaces. Safe spaces! I refuse to modify my argument in any way to reflect the fact that what they are asking to be kept safe from is not words but bullets. I refuse to be silent even for a moment.

When I was young, children were seen but not heard. If children suddenly started to be heard, that would be the greatest tragedy of all.

 

[ModlrMike]

I know it's meant as satire, but perhaps there's a grain of truth in there. Perhaps today's children are too soft. Perhaps a little hardship would be beneficial. At the risk of sounding like the "get off my lawn" guy, today's children need to harden the f*ck up.

 

[Good2Golf]

I know it's meant as satire, but perhaps there's a grain of truth in there. Perhaps today's children are too soft. Perhaps a little hardship would be beneficial. At the risk of sounding like the "get off my lawn" guy, today's children need to harden the f*ck up.

In fairness to Millennials, if hover-parents and a society that gratuitously hands out medals for kids showing up to any event with pretty much a heart-beat hadn't been so de rigeur over the last couple of decades, maybe there'd be less hurt feelings.  After all, if kids aren't armed with all the tools they need to enter young adulthood, is it all their fault?  Serious question.

Regards
G2G

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Yes and I am sure the specifics of skin cancer and dermitis doesn't need to be memorized to be effective at detecting it.

Health care is important enough that doctors should receive as much help as they can, including patient referrals from competent, certified hair and scalp care professionals.

:2c:

Regards,
G2G

*edit*

My apologies to the forum, I forgot to add a smilie to my post.    :sarcasm:

Know what, I flew model planes as a kid, even went up a few times and played with the controls. Had quite a few hours in the VooDoo simulator. Went up on a couple of dozen Voodoo and TBird post inspection test flights and had the controls for a bit.

It really didn't seem all that difficult. I don't know shit about any of it, but I've done it, so you should give me my license.

There's really no reason to respond, because you think there's  a difference between pilots and barbers..

For this discussion, it doesn't matter.

Both are professional
Both require training and licensing
Both are constrained by rules, and in Ontario you have to be certified to the standard.
It doesn't matter, if you don't like those rules, or make fun of them, you still have to follow them.

Obviously, you'd rather make fun than have a discussion, which means, at this time in my forum evolution, I have no need for input from either of you.

Thanks for your previous points and input.

Cheers

 

[Bird_Gunner45]

I know it's meant as satire, but perhaps there's a grain of truth in there. Perhaps today's children are too soft. Perhaps a little hardship would be beneficial. At the risk of sounding like the "get off my lawn" guy, today's children need to harden the **** up.

That's the problem with the argument- it's based on stereotypes and opinion with little to no factual evidence to demonstrate that millenials need to harden up any more than baby boomers did. Are millenials to baby boomers as dirty hippies were to their forefathers? In reality, more than likely as the opinions are based on an element of an entire generation that has created the "snow flake/safe space" stereotype/trope vice the entire generation itself. Even if you look at high profile events such as the UC Berkeley protest for Milo Yiannopoulus, the total protest was estimated at 1500 people out of a total student population of 41,910. Assuming that every single protestor was a student that's about 3.6% of the total student body that protested. Berkely College republicans have 6500 members or 15.5% of the population. I think this is the real story. Millenials are no more "lazy", "mooching" or "soft" than the previous generations. It's just taking extremes and making them to be the norm.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

You're right and my stereotypical, generalized response that all millennials are lazy was wrong.

I think, the point you're making is the squeaky wheel gets the grease and publicity?

 

[kratz]

I know it's meant as satire, but perhaps there's a grain of truth in there. Perhaps today's children are too soft. Perhaps a little hardship would be beneficial. At the risk of sounding like the "get off my lawn" guy, today's children need to harden the **** up.

You should have seen the butthurt kids in my college courses were having over they way they were treated. Their lack of life experience was a shocking splash of water when they failed ect...

 

[mariomike]

For reference to the discussion,

From 2016

Canadian millennials hold off on their love of country
https://army.ca/forums/threads/124300.0
Canadians 18 to 34 less likely to say they are proud of Canada than older Canadians
4 pages.

How Do You Attract and Retain Generation Y?
https://army.ca/forums/threads/92228.0

Gen X recruits vs Gen Y recruits
https://army.ca/forums/threads/77620.0/nowap.html
2 pages.

Why Generation Y Yuppies Are Unhappy 
https://army.ca/forums/threads/112171.0

etc...

 

[FJAG]

You should have seen the butthurt kids in my college courses were having over they way they were treated. Their lack of life experience was a shocking splash of water when they failed ect...

I think that's an every generation thing.

Back in 1981 I started law school as one of ten "older" folks out of a class of ninety. The other eighty were all young, idealistic puppies (and considering it was law school they were mostly altruistic capitalist with a sprinkling of rabid socialists). Either way, they had a universal lack of life experiences (other than undergraduate studies) and a high expectation that, as society's elite, the world owed them a living.

:cheers:

 

[Infanteer]

I think the Greeks mocked the Romans for being idealistic snow-flakes who figured the world owed them everything.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

I think the Greeks mocked the Romans for being idealistic snow-flakes who figured the world owed them everything.

Mind you, it is easy to mock a defeated vassal state....

 

[Bird_Gunner45]

You're right and my stereotypical, generalized response that all millennials are lazy was wrong.

I think, the point you're making is the squeaky wheel gets the grease and publicity?

I think it's that and I think it's convenient for both right and left ideologies to take the extreme examples to push their own agenda's. Take the right wing coverage of the Ben Shapiro at UC Berkeley event. In reality, the protest was similar in size if not smaller than Yianoppolous' but got far more coverage which helped to push Shapiro's own narrative. The same can be said for the Charlottesville focus on Nazi's and or Antifa (dependent on your ideology).

 

[Brad Sallows]

We Boomers did not "pay our own way"; deficit spending was used to support new programs, and CPP is a prime example of a Ponzi program.  People complaining about deficits need to be clear about the important difference between cyclical deficits (eg. the 2008+ "economic plan" years) and systemic deficits (what we have now, as we had pre-1985/86).

There is no inherent reason the population must keep growing; adjustment to an aging and shrinking population is a temporary issue just as the boom itself was temporary.  Some people just think we have to have immigration to cover gaps because they either are incapable of working around a shrinking population or they have grown accustomed to living well without "paying their own way".  Canada's immigration policy tends to draw productive people; no-one asks whether the countries losing those people need them more than Canada does.  Our immigration policy is selfishness writ large; I'd really like to see it stop.