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Barred entry into USA for training

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What if you are barred from entering USA for exercises? Will this hinder your career entirely in the CAF in your infantry unit? Say you got accepted to a unit in cansofcom but can’t do partner force training down south - what would happen to your career?
 
What if you are barred from entering USA for exercises? Will this hinder your career entirely in the CAF in your infantry unit? Say you got accepted to a unit in cansofcom but can’t do partner force training down south - what would happen to your career?

Any criminal offense that would bar you from entry to the US would very likely affect you joining or remaining in the CAF.
 
As the OP indicated over 10 years ago that he was then living in the United States
Random question if I may, I am a Canadian citizen living in California and am about to book my appointment for testing,medical, and the interview. If I book it say, in January 2015 will that be too long? What I mean is, is that too far of a date to book being 6 months away or does it not matter? Any scope on this would be much appreciated! Going for infantry, i've been training hard at the gym and studying for the CFAT.
and a couple of years later raised a question that suggested he may prefer not interacting with normal CBP procedures/personnel.
Just a simple question, when going to the U.S. for drills/exercises does one travel normally going through the civilian entry or do you take a plane from a base in Canada which you are stationed at to the base you are going to in the U.S.?

It is possible that he may have had previous negative interaction with US immigration officials and would be denied entry if he showed up at the border (or, more scarily, hauled off to an ICE detention facility).
 
What if you are barred from entering USA for exercises? Will this hinder your career entirely in the CAF in your infantry unit? Say you got accepted to a unit in cansofcom but can’t do partner force training down south - what would happen to your career?
CANSOF is not going to hire you with a ban into entering a FVEY country.
 
What if you are barred from entering USA for exercises? Will this hinder your career entirely in the CAF in your infantry unit? Say you got accepted to a unit in cansofcom but can’t do partner force training down south - what would happen to your career?
Let’s just cut to the chase.

Are you personally banned from the U.S.? If so, why and for how long?

Are you currently a CAF member or thinking about joining?

With those answers we may be able to give you useful and meaningful advice. If you choose not to offer that clarity, odds of you getting anything useful to you here will be much lower.
 
Apparently one can get a a lifetime ban against entering the US for legally smoking pot in Canada … or, that’s how things panned out for some dude at a Washington/BC crossing on the CBP reality show I stumbled across on some hotel cable channel.
 
It’s not just criminal offences causing border issues at present.
Anecdotally and with no way of confirming, from several sources I have heard of people being denied entry when negatively answering “Do you support President Trump?” by CBP at land crossings.

Again, I can’t confirm this but I’ve heard from more than one person who’s says they know someone who got turned away for that. If that were true, one would think CBC would be all over that…🤷‍♂️
 
Anecdotally and with no way of confirming, from several sources I have heard of people being denied entry when negatively answering “Do you support President Trump?” by CBP at land crossings.

Again, I can’t confirm this but I’ve heard from more than one person who’s says they know someone who got turned away for that. If that were true, one would think CBC would be all over that…🤷‍♂️
Exactly.....its always "I heard" when discussing the US these days. Gone twice to pinball shows and the border is the same as its always been....except quicker.
 
Let’s just cut to the chase.

Are you personally banned from the U.S.? If so, why and for how long?

Are you currently a CAF member or thinking about joining?

With those answers we may be able to give you useful and meaningful advice. If you choose not to offer that clarity, odds of you getting anything useful to you here will be much lower.
I was born in Canada but have been in the USA since a small child. I’m under DACA status. If I depart the USA I get a ten year bar. To make it more fun I have a misdemeanor on my record when I was freshly 18 (3 weeks in..young and dumb nothing serious). Im in my early 30s now, I barely even drink lol. Completely normal otherwise etc. I figured a good way to come (back) to Canada is to join the army for a bit. But if my training and career will be hindered from being barred entry, I’ll probably focus more on other avenues for a career

Thanks all!
 
I was born in Canada but have been in the USA since a small child. I’m under DACA status. If I depart the USA I get a ten year bar. To make it more fun I have a misdemeanor on my record when I was freshly 18 (3 weeks in..young and dumb nothing serious). Im in my early 30s now, I barely even drink lol. Completely normal otherwise etc. I figured a good way to come (back) to Canada is to join the army for a bit. But if my training and career will be hindered from being barred entry, I’ll probably focus more on other avenues for a career

Thanks all!
So, without turning this into a politics discussion or discussing the wisdom or validity of any particular policy, and sticking to you and your circumstances: You’re in a very uncertain position right now and it can be hard to make a decision with that. Yes, one possible way things could evolve in your favour might be that the consequences of your status in the U.S. shift with the political winds. Waiting that out to roll the dice in a few years could be a viable course of action, but you need to decide if that’s a wait and a risk you’re comfortable with. And it may not go in a way that helps your situation. I would recommend just going with the facts as they are now, and deciding based off that. Maybe the facts will change but you could waste a lot of years hoping for that.

Joining CAF necessarily means coming back to Canada anyway. You’d be uprooting whatever life you have in the U.S., which sounds like pretty much your whole life. You would need to consider if coming back to Canada and incidentally eating that ten year ban is worth it in terms of not going back to see other family, friends, etc. @ModlrMike is objectively correct that staying there and waiting a few years to see might be the ‘safest’ option in terms of minimal disruption to your life. Up to if what you currently have there is good enough for you to stick around longer.

Joining CAF will likely mean work travel to the U.S. at some point. All elements of CAF will participate in joint training down there sometimes, and any individual CAF member in an operational unit is likely at some point to be a part of that. I don’t have an answer to how CAF handles that, or to whether the U.S. government will offer a different visa/entry permission for people in your circumstances who are a CAF member; clearly the risk to them changes if you’re back there as a foreign military member on fixed duration training.

I strongly recommend reaching out to CAF recruiting, explaining your circumstances, making sure you’re talking to someone who understands it, and getting a proper answer. Guaranteed CAF has already dealt with this issue, so someone somewhere knows.
 
I was born in Canada but have been in the USA since a small child. I’m under DACA status. If I depart the USA I get a ten year bar. To make it more fun I have a misdemeanor on my record when I was freshly 18 (3 weeks in..young and dumb nothing serious). Im in my early 30s now, I barely even drink lol. Completely normal otherwise etc. I figured a good way to come (back) to Canada is to join the army for a bit. But if my training and career will be hindered from being barred entry, I’ll probably focus more on other avenues for a career

Thanks all!
There's a ton of restrictions under DACA.

Have you looked into the avenue of voluntarily surrendering your DACA status and possibly being able to return to the US as an normal visitor? That is, of course, if you are not deemed criminally inadmissible due to your misdemeanor conviction?

As stated above, you should also first ensure that your conviction would not be a bar to enrolment in the CAF, specifically in the job you want.
 
I was born in Canada but have been in the USA since a small child. I’m under DACA status. If I depart the USA I get a ten year bar. To make it more fun I have a misdemeanor on my record when I was freshly 18 (3 weeks in..young and dumb nothing serious). Im in my early 30s now, I barely even drink lol. Completely normal otherwise etc. I figured a good way to come (back) to Canada is to join the army for a bit. But if my training and career will be hindered from being barred entry, I’ll probably focus more on other avenues for a career

Thanks all!
Can you join the US military with Deferred Action?
1) Citizenship can be fast tracked with i Service.
2) GI Bill benefits are significantly better than Canada’s.
3) You could then be a CAN-AM Dual Cit and go and down etc whenever you wanted
 
Can you join the US military with Deferred Action?
1) Citizenship can be fast tracked with i Service.
2) GI Bill benefits are significantly better than Canada’s.
3) You could then be a CAN-AM Dual Cit and go and down etc whenever you wanted
DACA recipients are currently barred from US military service, but there is a bill sponsored by two US Congressmen to reverse that.
 
You get what's called a NTO (NATO travel order). I had a soldier who worked for me that spent time in an ICE Detention Centre, he illegally entered the United States and was detained. He was from a South American Country and had served previously in one of their Commando Units with a somewhat checkered history. He was a phenomenal soldier.

Some years later he managed to get to Canada and joined the CAF. Questions always got asked and he always got pulled aside when we went on exercises, etc. The NTO also allows you to travel without a passport and is the document you need to produce along with Military ID, when entering a NATO Country.
 
NTOs don't seem to be very common anymore. I hadn't seen them used in years because it's extra admin and the default is to just "use your passport" but that's not always possible. The Navy doesn't even issue sailors Green Passports which surprised me, we all had Green Passports in the Army.

In the case of the soldier I am referring to. He always got let in with an NTO, even being on an ICE list.

Here is an example of an NTO:

 
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