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Basic Training Primer >> DOs and DON'Ts

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Caeser said:
Everyone has to go through basic. Don't try and make it easier for them, they should find out these things on their own. Why should they have all the answers served up to them? What's the fun in that? It is the job of their instructors to train the recruits properly, prepare them properly, and generally sort them out. Don't mess with the system.

I disagree.  If someone takes the initiative to actually research what they are doing, be it basic training, entering a new project, etc.  that shows intelligence and initiative.  I would hope the CF would encourage their troops to prepare as much as possible for whatever they are undertaking.
 
My personal Fav-works for trained troops as well:
Sgt-"who's got thier Licence(for recruits)or 404's(for trained troops)
troop-Me(thinking thiergoing to get a cush gig)
Sgt-"See that broom?Go drive it around the Parade square"

Gets em everytime
 
All Hail Caeser!!!

I say nuthing! Let the wee buggers learn on their own like I did!

Bring Brasso and Black Kiwi pollish!

Oh ya and lotsa elastic bands and string, helps with the boot blouser losers and you can make tons of money, charge them 5 bucks for two measley elastics!! Trust me it's how rockerfella made all his doe!

tess
:salute:
 
My point was this:

Allow the course staff, and the BMQ/SQ 'experience' to shape the soldier. There is something to be said for a recruit devising a way to get a second shave kit for inspection, rather than arriving on course knowing all the curveballs that will be thrown at him. I also feel that recruits worry (understandably) about being unprepared for basic (as in, not having the right kit). The kit list given to the troop should be followed, "You all will have bush hats or none of you will." If we tell troops, "nah, don't worry about that, you don't need it" or "even though it's not on the kit list, bring this ___", and he never gets to use it because it's not on the list and not everyone has it.

Sir, YOU might draw up a list of stuff to bring, but don't forget that troops from other units won't necessarily get this 'primer'. If you are using it as a recruiting aid, fair enough. I would suggest anecdotes from troops coming off their BMQ. My stories of QL2 in Tent City in Wainwright, learning the many uses of the steel pot (shaving, sitting, digging), for instance, are not as relevant to todays BMQ-bound soldier. Maybe some troops have some pictures or video to lend. That might be very effective. Or just video some of your own unit's training, I would suggest FIBUA, or anything live-fire.

The stress of Basic, the stress that you are all f*cked up, that you will never attain that standard.....followed eventually by the realization that you have pulled through, and achieved what you thought impossible just a couple of weeks before, that is what the real value of BMQ/QL2 is. By 'revealing the secrets', so to speak, you remove the mystery, and in my view, somewhat spoil the experience. They have to learn these lessons themselves. I know I will never put a fifth mag in my map pocket on a long tab, not because I was told that, but because I remember the 4 inch gash, and the bloody leg and socks at the end of my first 13k ruckmarch. Let the troops figure it out together, on course, as a platoon/section/fire team....it builds the skills of teamwork through common suffering.

Having said that, I admire your desire to prepare your troops beyond the level that is required of your position.

charge them 5 bucks for two measley elastics!! - on my QL2 it was smokes - '$0.25/smoke now, or double back later'....i made a killing! (NOTE:this is illegal!)

 
Caeser:

Good points, and I will keep them in mind when writing-up the brochure.

Please note that my intention was not to reveal Basic secrets, such as two shave kits, but more of the up-and-up need to know aspects (bring 1 change of civ clothing, bring some cash, bring an FMP, cards for down-time, etc). Cr@p, now everyone knows about the two shave kits. Since I'm coming from a BOTP background, my experience will be different than those who did BMQ -- so it's helpful to get your opinion on this.

Thanks for the help.

By the way, I have a motorcycle license! :dontpanic:
 
Thank you Argylls-R for starting this valuable thread. There are many of us on this forum who are awaiting BMQ. Good advice and constructive information is appreciated and does not go unnoticed. The recruiting process has it's bumps and one is getting clear information on what to expect. It shouldn't be a guessing game. I look forward to reading your summary of information.

RGO    :cdn:
 
Ok. I'm going on my 2nd BMQ this year! Yes, one for the Reserves, and now one for Reg. In the first few days, how much civi clothes would I need? Will will wear the uniform the next day/same day as arriving? I'm actually taking all my kit with me, so I'm hoping that won't be too much of a problem..  Also, those that did a recent BMQ in St. Jean, did they issue the extreme cold parka, and pants? I gather I'll just take it all..

GuinnessDrinker
 
An extra shave kit you say?
Ahhh... I got to remember that...
Sneaky Bugger...

Come to think of it...
I can't get an extra shave-kit now cause I will fell all guilty and like I missed out on something fun...

Sometimes I'm too smart for my own good...
 
heres on;
who likes driving,
(me me)
now drive yourself over and get that jerry can..

They used this alot on my bmq,
 
Admit when you are wrong or they catch u in a lie punishment is worse for the whole group. Ensure the buttons on your duffel bag are all done up and the lock is directly on 0. Ensure the toes of your shoes are lined up evenly. Have an extra shaving kit ready for inspection ( one that is not used) so it looks like it is nice and clean hide the used one in your duffel bag. If you are sleeping in cots ensure it is clean like no sand or such. Make sure your canteen is full at all times. :sniper: :mg: :cam:

if you are a girl like me ensure all long hair is up and make sure it can stay up through the toughest times lol ;D

regards
ARMY
 
I would just like to say that I appreciate all the information provided by people that have gone through basic. All of the posts on this site have really helped me research the CF. I plan to apply for the ROTP as soon as I am accepted into my University program. Initially I was intimidated by the military but now I feel confident and ready to go forward with this. I feel that it is really important to inform potential recruits about BT and other military "stuff". It helped me to read other peoples experiences so that I could make an informed decision.

The brochure is a GREAT idea! Thank you!
 
You should go to your recruiter and ask to see the BOTC training video.. a little out of date, but it gives a good representation on what to expect. I think it covers both IAP and the BOTC phases.
 
I'm not giving away any secrets here:

1. Attention to detail
2. Listen to the words of Command, do not anticipate
3. Help your buddies
4.The group is more important then the individual
5. When you get a blast (not if), don't take it personally and learn from it. Don't brood and feel picked on.
6. Willpower. The physiological is just as important as the psychical.
 
DO NOT take the dummy grenade from the Instructor look around and smile at everyone in the class.  Then just as you are doing your drills to prep and throw the grenade again look around the room at your fellow classmates and smile after which you purposely drop the prepped grenade.  The instructors literally jumped on him and screamed he has just killed everyone in the classroom.  I have never seen a person drummed out of the military as fast as they got that guy out, the site of this fellow and the smile he gave us was surreal!
 
He did the dropping part all on his own, no instruction was given to throw the grenade...
 
m_a_c said:
after which you purposely drop the prepped grenade.  

It pretty obviously says he dropped it. Which is pretty bad. (Thankfully it was only a dummy grenade for the rest of you guys!)
 
He was told to hold the grenade, and he purposely dropped it, not accidentally, and thank goodness it was a dummy grenade.  As I said before, he looked around at the class with all of us watching him, made an evil grin, then purposely opened his hand and dropped the grenade, which was prepped to throw.  If the grenade where real we would have all died and he knew that.   
 
you would think after BMQ you would no the do's and don'ts with inert and live munitions
 
if any one does that on my BMQ classes, my respect for that person will be down the drain for sure. IT'S THE ARMY FOR CRYING OUT LOUD !!!!!
 
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