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No judgement, just a cool pic.
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What is that and who is that? G-Wagon? Very cool pic!
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It‘s the Royal Marines in Land Rover Defenders, on Op Veritas in Afganistan.
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Check this one out. Kinda VBL-ish
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/cobra/cobra4.html
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/cobra/cobra4.html
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As you can see by my Avatar I‘m an Infanteer (RES). So I am a bit ignorant as to the armored world. Do all the Recce sqdns use LAVIIIs? if not what do they use? I am interested in going Reg. but not to sure that I want to do section attacks all my life and the Armored Recce looks interesting in theory at least. On some of the posts mention of a ‘mud‘ recce vehicle is mentioned and usally pertains to a replacement for the iltis. This is the area that interests me most, any info/comments would be appreciated.
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The "Mud Recce" you‘ve heard about is usually done in the Iltis by reserves. It‘s pretty low tech and requires a lot of stealth to gain information, since there is no armour protection nor armament. The LUVW is the replacement for the Iltis. Lord knows when we will see them. 
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coreybain
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Yeah I got the Coyote confused with the LAV III, my bad. What is the point of the coyotes with no survailance? I thought that would be one of the major advantages of bringing a vehicle along!
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The Med Recce Sqn, does the "MUD" Recce tasks of the Bge. It is the "Fast" patrol Sqn. A Surv Coyote is designed for just that Surv Ops. Why loss a high cost veh when you can loss a Med cost veh.
The Med Recce Sqn are like the old Canadian Sabre Lynx Sqns, hit fast, get out just as fast.
The Med Recce Sqn are like the old Canadian Sabre Lynx Sqns, hit fast, get out just as fast.
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toms3
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Personally, I think "MUD" can be the most interesting. Like Recce 41 stated, your in fast, and out fast. Gathering info first hand, instead of looking at a screen miles back. The thing is...your life expectancy in not that great.
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Sounds better than a soft-skin vehicle to me.
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Good news bad news time.
Good news first: here is a well designed concept for a 7 tonne armoured scout car
http://www.otobreda.it/products/schedule.asp?id=prod_land_cio_puma_te
Now the bad news: brought to you by the same people that brought you the LSVW and the Pack Howitzer.
Maybe if they put different running gear in it? Come to think of it that's what happened with the LSVW. Maybe shouldn't go there.
Good news first: here is a well designed concept for a 7 tonne armoured scout car
http://www.otobreda.it/products/schedule.asp?id=prod_land_cio_puma_te
Now the bad news: brought to you by the same people that brought you the LSVW and the Pack Howitzer.
Maybe if they put different running gear in it? Come to think of it that's what happened with the LSVW. Maybe shouldn't go there.
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I still hear that the old Ferret was a good Recce. Vehicle!
Just up date it
The trouble to day is we are relying more and more on Technology rather on Soldier skill's,what happen's when the kit goes down?
Can the same Pers. go forward and do it physically?
I'm all for good protection and progress but when it come's too the crunch it will be done in a light vehicle doing sneek and creep and shoot and scoot.
Just up date it
The trouble to day is we are relying more and more on Technology rather on Soldier skill's,what happen's when the kit goes down?
Can the same Pers. go forward and do it physically?
I'm all for good protection and progress but when it come's too the crunch it will be done in a light vehicle doing sneek and creep and shoot and scoot.
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I think you are right on that Spr. Earl.
I note there was a letter to the Times basically confirming that point of view. A retired Brigadier emphasizing the difference between the American Army model, which is also applicable to all Navies and Air Forces, where they "Man Equipment" while the Traditional Army "Equips the Man".
The Man - (sorry to all the women out there - this is just rhetorical) - is still the key element because, at the end of the day, machines don't talk to each other people do. The impression that a motivated armed soldier in face to face confrontation makes is profound. And often the soldier's choosing not to act when he could has a more profound impression than if he had chosen to act.
Think back to the young soldier at OKA, shorter than the Mohawk he was facing down by a head, but armed and backed up by a brigade of support. He didn't act. He gained more sympathy for the government cause by choosing not to act than if he had lashed out and shot the Mohawk.
Still, back on track, there is a role for an armoured scout car, as you say much like the Ferret. Just as there is a role for unarmoured scout cars and heavy tanks.
I note there was a letter to the Times basically confirming that point of view. A retired Brigadier emphasizing the difference between the American Army model, which is also applicable to all Navies and Air Forces, where they "Man Equipment" while the Traditional Army "Equips the Man".
The Man - (sorry to all the women out there - this is just rhetorical) - is still the key element because, at the end of the day, machines don't talk to each other people do. The impression that a motivated armed soldier in face to face confrontation makes is profound. And often the soldier's choosing not to act when he could has a more profound impression than if he had chosen to act.
Think back to the young soldier at OKA, shorter than the Mohawk he was facing down by a head, but armed and backed up by a brigade of support. He didn't act. He gained more sympathy for the government cause by choosing not to act than if he had lashed out and shot the Mohawk.
Still, back on track, there is a role for an armoured scout car, as you say much like the Ferret. Just as there is a role for unarmoured scout cars and heavy tanks.
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These wee things seat 3 or 4, are amphib AND armoured, and have a remote wpns mount to take a .50 or Milan etc.....
Comments from our Panzerbruden?
Comments from our Panzerbruden?
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It would be interesting to use the VBL platform as a basis for an entire line of tactical vehicles, but this would be very expensive. The Turkish army might have the right idea, they use the HMMVW as a utility truck, and the mechanical parts as the basis for a light recce vehicel and a series of armoured platforms (anti-tank, 106mm recoiless rifle, internal security vehicle, etc.)
I am not sure how far you could get using a G-Wagon or Silverado platform for these purposes, but it is worth thinking about. For the future of military transport, have a google at what the US is doing with the Future Tactical Truck project:
http://www.dtic.mil/matris/sbir/sbir043/a255.pdf
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2002ftts/skalny.pdf
http://www.ausa.org/www/armymag.nsf/(soldier)/20044?OpenDocument
The FTTS/UV would likely be the primary platform to use to create a wheeled recce vehicle that is useful and versatile.
I am not sure how far you could get using a G-Wagon or Silverado platform for these purposes, but it is worth thinking about. For the future of military transport, have a google at what the US is doing with the Future Tactical Truck project:
http://www.dtic.mil/matris/sbir/sbir043/a255.pdf
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2002ftts/skalny.pdf
http://www.ausa.org/www/armymag.nsf/(soldier)/20044?OpenDocument
The FTTS/UV would likely be the primary platform to use to create a wheeled recce vehicle that is useful and versatile.
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What if we have AVRO build an aero-car?
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Right,
That would, of course, limit its use as an NDHQ VEH tho, garaunteeing that the sharp end troops would get them...
Chocks away Biggles!
That would, of course, limit its use as an NDHQ VEH tho, garaunteeing that the sharp end troops would get them...
Chocks away Biggles!
