Best "mud Recce" vehicle?

[Kat Stevens]

I never served in Germany, so what exactly is the unimog?

Basically a Swiss Army Knife on wheels.....

CHIMO,  Kat

 

[Fishbone Jones]

It's the European version of a very capable and versitile vehicle. Before the Liberal government and Western Star got their hands on it. Rumour has it, that it failed numerous times during the trials. The Gov't at the time kept lowering the standards for the trials until it passed. After winning the diluted tests process, the contract was awarded to a company we had never used, in ex Prime Minister's Kim Cambell's riding. The POS we ended up with puts out roughly 90 hp with the turbo kicked in and is running 1 1/2 brake shoes when we should be using 3" shoes. Instead of the composite shoes it was tested with, it uses metal shoes that are too small, hence the annoying, non tactical sqeal when you try to stop. Rumour has it. You judge.

 

[George Wallace]

It's the European version of a very capable and versitile vehicle. Before the Liberal government and Western Star got their hands on it. Rumour has it, that it failed numerous times during the trials. The Gov't at the time kept lowering the standards for the trials until it passed. After winning the diluted tests process, the contract was awarded to a company we had never used, in ex Prime Minister's Kim Cambell's riding. The POS we ended up with puts out roughly 90 hp with the turbo kicked in and is running 1 1/2 brake shoes when we should be using 3" shoes. Instead of the composite shoes it was tested with, it uses metal shoes that are too small, hence the annoying, non tactical sqeal when you try to stop. Rumour has it. You judge.

Whoa there!

You are talking now of the Italian Iveco, not the Mercedes Unimog.  The Iveco is a cheap knock off of the Unimog, that White Star got the contract to modify and produced here for the CF.  It did fail numerous times to meet the specs required by the CF, so the Government sent it off to an American Company to evaluate and some how it managed to pass  : .......

GW

 

[mj]

how about using a Lada Niva.  cheep, good on fuel, low profile, 4X4, you can fix it with a hammer.  just chop a hole in the top and mount your machine gun to the roll frame.  get a case of olive green in rattle cans and apply color to it.  heck you could weld armour plate to the sides for that "protected look" and if you smash the glass out of it you can have all around protection.  there is no limit to what you could weld/bolt/modify on one of those.  and when they break past fixing them just push it on the pile and order a new one from st petersburg.  mad max probably wasn't that far fetched.  chimo!

 

[George Wallace]

Yeah...... Right!    :

 

[B.McTeer]

lol ok i got this, a ford f150 with a TOW on back and a C9 or 6 out passenger window hehehehe now were talking

 

[George Wallace]

Why not import some of those Toyota "Technicals" vehicles from Somolia?  They could use the boost to their economy......  :blotto:

 

[B.McTeer]

nothing beats a good old "Technical" hehehehe

 

[TangoTwoBravo]

Apres moi, le deluge...donning helmet and body armour... :warstory:

 

[George Wallace]

Naa!  Too Friggin Big......will take 40 acres to turn the damn thing around......  ;D

 

[B.McTeer]

a golf cart with a 50 cal hehehehehe that would be the best

 

[Maclimius]

Now there's a mud recce vehicle, light (ie. none) armor, great visibility, low profile, fast as shit, and enough firepower to take out a small tank if need be. This would be a great vehicle to boot around even Gagetown where you could actually jump over those swamps on the hills.  ;D

Built by Chenowyth Racing in El Cajon, California, the DPV is used by the Navy SEALs for missions such as CSAR (Combat Search and Rescue) and scouting behind enemy lines. They usually operate in pairs (for mutual support), and although they can reach speeds up to 80mph, they will usually travel at significantly slower speeds to prevent breakdowns that might compromise their missions.

The DPV is powered by a 200hp VW engine that is capable of accelerating it from 0 to 30 mph in only four seconds. With its 21 gallon capacity, the DPV has a range of about 210 miles. A fuel bladder with a 120 gallon capacity can also be carried, with it the DPV can patrol over 1,000 miles in one mission. Satellite GPS (Global Positioning System) systems help pinpoint the DPV's position as well as speed, bearing to the target, and distance from it.

The DPV can be armed with a vast array of weapons that make it a deadly adversary. The basic weapons suite is a .50 M2 heavy machine gun, two M-60 7.62 light machine guns, and two AT-4 anti-armor rocket launchers. In many cases the driver's M-60 or the gunner's M2 is swapped with a Mk19 40mm grenade launcher. Other weapons that can be carried are a low-recoil 30mm cannon and TOW missile launchers. In addition, the crew can carry M203 combos and Stinger anti-aircraft missiles for personal defence.

The DPV is currently operated only by SEAL Team Three, the unit tasked with the Middle East. Three DPVs can be carried by one C-130 and air dropped for their missions. Additionally, DPVs will fit in the H-53 helicopter used by the Air Force, Marines, and Navy. Desert patrol vehicles were used in the Gulf War by SEALs in the retaking of Kuwait city.

Source http://www.specwarnet.net

 

[Slim]

Now there's a mud recce vehicle, light (ie. none) armor, great visibility, low profile, fast as shit, and a fifty to boot.

And in the snow...

 

[Kirkhill]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/car/story/0,7369,1425855,00.html

Maybe not the best "mud" recce vehicle but perhaps "urban".

On the serious side - I am intrigued by the claim that a 2000kg Swedish anti-armour kit with Finnish glass can make this thing apparently mine-proof and proof against "anti-tank" missiles.

Anybody know anything about this wonder armour?

http://www.sptimesrussia.com/archive/times/700/features/a_4473_1328.htm

 

[a_majoor]

This gets back to how we want to do "Mud Recce".

Since you intend to stick your face into things some people might preffer you don't, armour protection is a must. You might want to talk back to these people in a language they understand, at least 7.62 and belt fed, .50 or 40mm AGL would be even better.

Since you might not want to just drive up and say "hi", carrying some dismounts is a good idea.

Since you need to get around in the mud (well, what is the title of this thread?) then a certain amount of ground clearence, horsepower and torque, as well as a rugged suspension is needed.

I think we are operating in a "bracket" with things like the uparmoured HMMVW and it's cousins (Eagle, OKTER) being the "bottom" end, while the LAV Coyote is the "top" end. If I were to have Gen Hillier's attention, I would probably suggest the HMMVW route, and have a look at building the next generation mud recce vehicle off the next generation Logistics vehicle as well.

 

[FGH_Recce_DJ]

I think the Gwagens will be a good "mud recce" vehicle, as long as they give it some good armament like a MK19 auto grenade launcher or a 50.cal in the turret,but i guess time will tell.

 

[Colin2]

What about using a MOWAG Pirana 4 x 4 variant up graded with Krongsberg weapon station and some other cool kit. It not really a large vehicle.

It was called the "SPY" based on the LAV 1 with a turret mounted .50 & GPMG if I remember correctly.

 

[Love793]

I think the Gwagens will be a good "mud recce" vehicle, as long as they give it some good armament like a MK19 auto grenade launcher or a 50.cal in the turret,but i guess time will tell.

Having just come off the conv crse at the school for this, I would have to agree.  It is a good vehicle.  However, A LOT of thinking will have to be done, as to how to actually employ it.  It is higher than the Iltis, has limited visiblity, and should not be driven with the same "Aggresion" that a lot of drivers use (especially with some one up in the hatch).

 

[George Wallace]

What about using a MOWAG Pirana 4 x 4 variant up graded with Krongsberg weapon station and some other cool kit. It not really a large vehicle.

I've seen this suggestion once or twice in other threads.   If you remember the AVGP family and all the problems they had in 'mobility', I would think that the 4 X 4 with less wheels would have even less.   It seems they have solved many of their issues here with their 8 X 8 variants.