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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20051125.wbono1125/BNStory/National

Rock star Bono made a pre-election visit to Ottawa on Friday, offering harsh words for Prime Minister Paul Martin over his failure to firmly commit to increasing its foreign aid budget.

Now, personally, I couldn't care any less what a non-citizen/non-resident/non-taxpayer thinks about our fiscal and foreign policies.  However, the article got me thinking about the effectiveness of foreign aid.  Does anyone have any links or references to studies on the actual results from foreign aid?  As well, studies on its feasibility, how it might be changed to be more effective, etc.?
 
I think that you'll find that it has been discussed in another thread...However as that one is long gone there may be a few people who are far more qualified to chime in on this issue than I am...

For myself I believe that throwing money at something does very little to solve a problem...The same problem, I might add, that these countries had the last time we went and tried to help.

Until that changes its just supplying one warlord or another and the average people on the street are still starving.

Slim
 
wongskc said:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20051125.wbono1125/BNStory/National

Now, personally, I couldn't care any less what a non-citizen/non-resident/non-taxpayer thinks about our fiscal and foreign policies.   However, the article got me thinking about the effectiveness of foreign aid.   Does anyone have any links or references to studies on the actual results from foreign aid?   As well, studies on its feasibility, how it might be changed to be more effective, etc.?

I'm wondering what sort of self-image this rock star has that he gets himself on national tv here on what could quite possibly be the eve of an election to suggest a change in government.  Kinda reckless if his goal, as he says it is, is to get money for any project in the developing world.  What he has done really is insult Canadians, by way of insulting our foreign policy in this regard (long standing commitments and projects funded and implemented over time after much research, and even many if not most through the UN and like organizations, very few on a bilateral basis because of the inherent risks...) and even our approach to foreign policy (considered and thought through with a view to use our international influence wisely) which is not something that is likely to change because a rock star shows up on the Hill.  If only 15 years olds could vote I suppose...
 
could give two hoots as to what the rock star thinks.
He chimes in on occasion - to support the image he has cobbled together for himself. But who is he really doing this for?

It does sell tickets & records though.
 
I personally advocate that we send Bono's personal fortune to a 3rd world country - with him.

Who does this clown think he is? He is an entertainer, nothing more. He has no more credibility in the foreign affairs and international aid sphere than Michael Jackson or Mr. Dressup.

Foreign aid is MY MONEY - and more often than not, it winds up in some tin - pot dictators pocket - we should be lowering it!
 
wongskc said:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20051125.wbono1125/BNStory/National

Now, personally, I couldn't care any less what a non-citizen/non-resident/non-taxpayer thinks about our fiscal and foreign policies.   However, the article got me thinking about the effectiveness of foreign aid.   Does anyone have any links or references to studies on the actual results from foreign aid?   As well, studies on its feasibility, how it might be changed to be more effective, etc.?

If it's just data you want there is tons of it, supporting whichever position one might wish: from "send nothing, it all gets wasted by corrupt recipient governments, à la Mugabe" to "more, more, more - we are morally bound to atone for the evils of colonialism."  Try e.g. here: http://www.jha.ac/articles/a128.htm or http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/shared/readmore.asp?sNav=nr&id=373 .

Before going to either, however, I think we should remind ourselves about the purposes of foreign aid.  I think there are, very broadly, three aims:

1. To (improperly and inefficiently) subsidize our own industries;

2. To bribe foreign leaders; and as a far distant third

3. To help poor people overseas.

Sometimes we, Canada, did 1 and 2 together.  In the '50s and '60s we were famous for building railways to nowhere all over Africa,  'Leaders' of newly independent African countries came to Ottawa and left, after lots of champagne, with a new railway.  The announcements were not, usually, made by the Foreign Minister in Ottawa or Africa, rather a Québec minister made the announcement of a new locomotive/rail car contract in Montreal.  The car, first, and then the airplane spelt the death of the passenger rail service and with it good, high paying jobs in the locomotive and rail-car plants in Montreal.  Railways to nowhere were a perfect way to subsidize a failed industry in Québec and buy votes in the UN where Canada was (throughout the '50s and '60s) waging a campaign to 'lead' the lesser powers.

In the '50s, especially, we had what was known as the Indian love affair.  Lester Pearson - first as a diplomat, later as External Affairs Minister was a patron of newly independent India.  Canada poured vast amounts of aid into India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka.  The Canadian invented Colombo Plan was second only to the US' Marshal Plan in generosity and might, actually, have been more beneficial to Canada, for a longer time, than the Marshal Plan was to the US.  The Marshal Plan did more for the recipients, however - largely because they were better able to leverage the aid to rebuild their economies.

The Colombo Plan was a good example of 2 + 3, although there was some industry subsidization, too.

Almost all government-to-government aid is 95% 1 + 2 - it doesn't matter who the donor and recipient are.  Canada's aid (we still give quite a bit) to China is mostly 2 and China's aid to Africa is the same.

There are a few great examples of 3 - but mostly in the private sector.  My favourite is the 'banks' in Asia which lend, almost exclusively, to women for small, local projects.  The returns - for donor and recipient village - are almost universally excellent: far and away 'better' in quality and quantity than anything CIDA does or has ever done.
 
Now that Bono has given us his opinion about how to run our foreign affairs, it is only fair we start writing and visiting him to offer OUR opinions of how U2 should do their next record/tour..... ;D
 
The old method of providing aid was to throw money and some Cdn products at the problem and hope for the best... the money would end up in the wrong hands and the products would end up being sold and the mney finding it's way into the wrong hands.
Helping people help themselves is the only viable method to providing aid that will be of value this year and next and for many years to come.
If the goods and services we deliver in aid are too complex for the people we hope will use and operate it... it'll end up as being another hunk of junk rusting out in the fields....
Just look at what happened in Kasheshewan CANADA; a lousy 30$ part went on the fritz, the local community disconected the alarm because it was annoying ... and this is in our own backyard.
 
GO!!! said:
I personally advocate that we send Bono's personal fortune to a 3rd world country - with him.

Who does this clown think he is? He is an entertainer, nothing more. He has no more credibility in the foreign affairs and international aid sphere than Michael Jackson or Mr. Dressup.

Foreign aid is MY MONEY - and more often than not, it winds up in some tin - pot dictators pocket - we should be lowering it!

I'll second that one.  I couldn't have said it any better myself.
 
I read somewhere that Bono's personal fortune is estimated in the hundreds of millions... he owns property around the planet, but keeps a house in Ireland... because they have an "artist's exemption" on income tax. So the guy barely pays, (or doesn't pay at all) income tax on millions of annual revenues, yet he wants to control what happens with taxpayer money...  ::)
Now I'm disappointed in Bono... for such a humanist, he certainly seems comfortable living in the kind of luxury only a handful of people can afford.
 
Bono only starts to spout off about world problems when he can get publicity for his sagging record sales. The best thing that could happen is to have a politician with balls tell him to sod off and stay the fuck away. The worst scenario is that he becomes a Lieberal and then, our Foreign Affairs Minister.
 
I still remember a comment I heard about bono suggesting the world just forget the debt africa (?) owes them.
It's easy to say when it's not your money.

for such a humanist, he certainly seems comfortable living in the kind of luxury only a handful of people can afford
Well said!
 
Does anyone know how much if any Bono gives to charities? I looked online for about an hour last night but couldnt find anything. If he gives lots thats great, if he doesnt give anything but his "support" well thats great for him, either way he should stay out of our business. If he wants a cause why doesnt he tackle the urban violence in Ireland, a place where people might listen to him.

PS. Iam not too up to date on Ireland and the IRA etc, so if my statement is dumb let me know so I wont make the mistake again  ;)
 
Worthington's response:

Hey, back off!

http://www.torontosun.com/News/2005/11/28/1327859.html
 
GO!!! said:
Who does this clown think he is? He is an entertainer, nothing more. He has no more credibility in the foreign affairs and international aid sphere than Michael Jackson or Mr. Dressup.

You just seriously insulted Mr. Dressup.  ;D
 
While I do not know if Mr Bono is capable of playing the trumpet............

GO BLOW!!
 
Foreign aid isn't all it's cracked up to be.  I'm working with the Afghan government and just saw a UN report that embarrasingly puts aid actually applied at the local level to a little as 15-20% of the "formally stated" amount by the donor community.  No names no pack drill but some countries here put less than 10% to actual projects...the balance goes to "administration" and "foreign-national" contracting... :(  I will note that the Asia Development Bank (ADB) is the best at putting its money where its mouth is.  Many western nations are embarrasingly horrid at how much money touted as "development", actually makes it to help the locals here.  One just has to be very careful with one's charities as many charities have huge overhead....just because it's a "non-profit" organization doesn't mean a higher proportion of dontations hit the coal face.

Even if Bono gives a million or more buck to charity, how much does he give compared to his overall income?  What is more important...absolute or relative contribution?  I don't make millions but I do donate a fair bit to charity, and not just for the tax break...

Cheers,
Duey
 
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