That would just get nuked in the Supreme Court the way it was always gonna get nuked in the Supreme Court, and cost the government a bunch of money.
Bringing 'Em Back or Not? (I.D.'ed Cdn ISIS fighters, families, kids?)
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OldSolduer
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So pay him the 10 million now?
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Only if they leave him to be tortured by a foreign government.So pay him the 10 million now?
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And to some Canadians anything the US does is torture
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South of the border, the wheels grind slowly, but exceedingly fine ....
apnews.com
www.theguardian.com
Islamic State 'Beatle' gets life term for US hostage deaths
ALEXANDRIA, Va. (AP) — British national El Shafee Elsheikh was sentenced to life in prison Friday for his role in an Islamic State scheme that took roughly two dozen Westerners hostage a decade ago.
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Elshafee El Sheikh: Ex-Briton 'Isis Beatle' sentenced to life in prison
Elshafee El Sheikh, 34, was found guilty in April of kidnapping and supporting a terrorist group.
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Islamic State member El Shafee Elsheikh sentenced to life in prison
The former British national was involved in taking hostage and beheading American journalists and aid workers
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Life is too good for these barbarians.
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Well, THAT'S a twist ....
www.ctvnews.ca
www.aljazeera.com
I guess now we know one way Canada was keeping track of at least some comings & goings ...
Shamima Begum: Canada will investigate spy smuggling allegations
PM Justin Trudeau will examine accusations that Shamima Begum was smuggled into Syria by a Canadian spy.
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Teen who fled U.K., joined ISIS was smuggled into Syria by spy for Canada: report
A spy for Canada is accused of smuggling a teenager into Syria in 2015, after she fled the United Kingdom to join the Islamic State group, according to BBC News.
Canada spy smuggled UK’s Shamima Begum into Syria: New book
Inquiry is demanded after new book suggests UK covered up Canada’s role in British teenager’s journey to join ISIL.
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Not as sexy in the headlines
Although there's a hair-splitting case to be made that the "informant" is the "spy" while their int boss is a "handler" or "case officer", no?
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Agreed on not as sexy a headline.
I’d argue informants are somewhat disposable assets, who do other things are their primary job and the information dealing is a secondary activity.
Spies are a mission dedicated asset and you actually value and try to get back.
Both will have case officers/handlers.
But that’s just me.
I’d argue informants are somewhat disposable assets, who do other things are their primary job and the information dealing is a secondary activity.
Spies are a mission dedicated asset and you actually value and try to get back.
Both will have case officers/handlers.
But that’s just me.
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Agreed on all points, but I wonder how many folks reading the headlines will think it was a Canadian int service person, not a source for someone like that?
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I’m kinda surprised JT didn’t publicly scold CSIS.
Someone must have told him to STFU
Guaranteed, folks in coffee shops across the country are murmuring about how 'OUR spies did what!? Blah blah blah...'
Same folks who've only heard of CSIS like once before, And don't understand the difference between intelligence officers, agents, or the network of random ppl that gather it all.
Good thing they'll soon hear "And in other news... Trying to stay relevant while talking about covid!" and forget all about it
Why would I get nuked in the Supreme Court?
(Genuinely curious - You guys are much more up-to-date than I am on these these types of legal matters.)
If someone is granted citizenship (aka not born here) can that citizenship not be revoked under extreme circumstances?
It would set up two tiers of citizenship; one revocable, the other not. Very clear cut discrimination based on national original case under s. 15 of the Charter. Now, a sufficiently motivated government could legislate it anyway and use the Notwithstanding Clause, but absent that it’s doomed to fail.
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It depends on whether they gave up citizenship of their birth country or are a dual citizen. If they have dual citizenship in another country, they could be stripped of Canadian citizenship. If they only have one citizenship, then no, because that would leave them a stateless person.
Separate issue, but the existence of a second citizenship would not be germane to a s.15 claim against revocation of Canadian citizenship.
Citizenship can be revoked, but that’s for fraud/misrepresentation in your citizenship process. That’s been upheld in court.
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One could argue that if you are supporting an enemy, then your citizenship oath was taken fraudulently…
That would have to be true at the application stage. Someone who naturalized in good faith and then radicalized later would not have obtained citizenship fraudulently. Bearing in mind that we’re in the Canadian foreign fighters thread, most of them that I’m aware of radicalized as young adults. The chain of relies being quoted here relates to Khalifa, who got scooped and convicted by the Americans. He radicalized much later in life than he naturalized.
Make no mistake, I don’t want these individuals to be citizens of Canada. This dude in particular is a total piece of shit. I’m just describing the state of our law as accurately as I can.
Update: Kimberly Polman has been repatriated and arrested, with informed speculation that her return to Canada may be linked to major medical issues.
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