Bringing 'Em Back or Not? (I.D.'ed Cdn ISIS fighters, families, kids?)

[brihard]

Some good news: another one of our ISIS returnees, Jamal Borhot, has been convicted of terrorism offences.

Calgary man found guilty of three terrorism-related charges tied to ISIS | Globalnews.ca

An Alberta judge has found 35-year-old Jamal Borhot of Calgary, guilty of three counts of participation in a terrorist group after he travelled to Syria in 2013 to fight for ISIS.

globalnews.ca

I need to wait for the written decision on this one but I’d been given to understand there was also some national security evidence disclosure law being contested on this one, and the pending decision on this may be of some significance to other cases. If in fact this verdict is part of that, even better.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Some are still out there waiting ....

Canadian who says he was tortured in Syria wants court to force Ottawa’s hand

A Canadian man who says he has been tortured in Syria is asking the Federal Court to order Ottawa to decide whether to help bring him home.

www.ctvnews.ca

... with this from the piece:

... with the policy shared here via Scribd:

GAC Policy on Assistance in Syria | PDF | Human Rights | Government

This document outlines Canada's policy framework for evaluating requests to provide extraordinary assistance to Canadian citizens detained in northeastern Syria on a case-by-case basis. It provides guidance on decision making and establishes six principles to assess requests: 1) Prioritizing...

www.scribd.com

 

[The Bread Guy]

Some good news: another one of our ISIS returnees, Jamal Borhot, has been convicted of terrorism offences.

Calgary man found guilty of three terrorism-related charges tied to ISIS | Globalnews.ca

An Alberta judge has found 35-year-old Jamal Borhot of Calgary, guilty of three counts of participation in a terrorist group after he travelled to Syria in 2013 to fight for ISIS.

globalnews.ca

I need to wait for the written decision on this one but I’d been given to understand there was also some national security evidence disclosure law being contested on this one, and the pending decision on this may be of some significance to other cases. If in fact this verdict is part of that, even better.

Next step: 16 year sentence …

Calgary man who joined ISIS in 2013 receives 16-year prison sentence | Globalnews.ca

Justice Corina Dario says there was 'no evidence' Jamal Borhot's beliefs have changed since he returned to Calgary from Syria in 2014, where he joined ISIS.

globalnews.ca

Borhot Sentenced to 16 Years' Imprisonment for Terrorism

/CNW/ - Today, in the Court of King's Bench, Jamal Borhot was sentenced to 16 years' imprisonment for his involvement with a known terrorist entity. On...

www.newswire.ca

 

[Czech_pivo]

Next step: 16 year sentence …

Calgary man who joined ISIS in 2013 receives 16-year prison sentence | Globalnews.ca

Justice Corina Dario says there was 'no evidence' Jamal Borhot's beliefs have changed since he returned to Calgary from Syria in 2014, where he joined ISIS.

globalnews.ca

https://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/borhot-sentenced-16-years-imprisonment-223000363.html

Will it be a true 16yr sentence or will it by 5-6yrs and then out on parole.

 

[brihard]

Will it be a true 16yr sentence or will it by 5-6yrs and then out on parole.

Mandatory parole comes at 2/3. He got credit for about four months’ pre-trial custody, so he has probably a bit over ten years to serve. While earlier parole is a possibility, it’s probably pretty unlikely in this case.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Wonder how many Canadian "guests" are headed to IRQ now?

Iraq Receives Over 4,500 ISIS Detainees Transferred from Syria

The transfers began last month after Syrian government forces took control of areas where thousands of ISIS suspects had been detained by Kurdish fighters (Sharvan) following the group’s territorial defeat.

www.kurdistan24.net

More from the Times of Israel on this one here & here.

If I understand correctly, that makes any Canadian ISIS fighters now "guests" of Iraq, not the Kurds. If so, it'll be interesting to see how keen IRQ'll be about prosecuting them, versus "encouraging" other countries to take 'em back & prosecute them themselves.

PS - Harder to use the “they’re held by a group we don’t have official diplomatic relations with” soon

 

[The Bread Guy]

IRQ to countries where ISIS fighters now in IRQ custody came from: Please take your ISIS detainees back home to be tried ...

Iraqi prime minister calls transfer of ISIS detainees to Iraq ‘temporary’

Mohammed Shia al-Sudani urges countries to repatriate their nationals who are ISIS members for prosecution - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

... with the US encouraging countries to take their ISIS folks back as well ...

Trump's terror chief urges UK to bring its Islamic State members back from Syria

Many former members of the group, also known as ISIS, have had their British citizenship revoked including Shamima Begum

www.middleeasteye.net

... while IRQ sets up to try some themselves ...

Iraq says it will prosecute Islamic State detainees transferred from Syria

Jan 22 (Reuters) - Iraq's Supreme Judicial Council said on Thursday it would begin legal proceedings against Islamic State detainees transferred from Syria after the rapid collapse of Kurdish-led forces in northeast Syria triggered concerns over prison security.The U.S. military said on Tuesday...

www.al-monitor.com

... even if the US won't in come cases

So, let's see ...

Loadsa ISIS folk held by SYR Kurds now in IRQ custody. No numbers or confirmation that there are any Canadians among them, but I'd bet more than zero.

CAN recognizes IRQ as a country and all that, with diplomatic relations going along with it.

Some folks seem ... at least underwhelmed over how IRQ handles terrorism cases.

UN: Islamic State Militants Not Getting Fair Trials in Iraq

UN report says war criminals must be held accountable, but due process is also important

www.voanews.com

Flawed Justice

The 76-page report, “Flawed Justice: Accountability for ISIS Crimes in Iraq,” examines the screening, detention, investigation, and prosecution of some of the thousands of Islamic State (also known as ISIS) suspects in Iraq. Human Rights Watch found serious legal shortcomings that undermine the...

www.hrw.org

So, is Ottawa ready ready to deal with these guys? Any lessons learned from the Khadr case re: how to deal with Canadian nationals in the clink elsewhere for terrorism when we have our own laws to try them?

We'll see ...

 

[brihard]

IRQ to countries where ISIS fighters now in IRQ custody came from: Please take your ISIS detainees back home to be tried ...

Iraqi prime minister calls transfer of ISIS detainees to Iraq ‘temporary’

Mohammed Shia al-Sudani urges countries to repatriate their nationals who are ISIS members for prosecution - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

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... with the US encouraging countries to take their ISIS folks back as well ...

Trump's terror chief urges UK to bring its Islamic State members back from Syria

Many former members of the group, also known as ISIS, have had their British citizenship revoked including Shamima Begum

www.middleeasteye.net

... while IRQ sets up to try some themselves ...

Iraq says it will prosecute Islamic State detainees transferred from Syria

Jan 22 (Reuters) - Iraq's Supreme Judicial Council said on Thursday it would begin legal proceedings against Islamic State detainees transferred from Syria after the rapid collapse of Kurdish-led forces in northeast Syria triggered concerns over prison security.The U.S. military said on Tuesday...

www.al-monitor.com

... even if the US won't in come cases

So, let's see ...

Loadsa ISIS folk held by SYR Kurds now in IRQ custody. No numbers or confirmation that there are any Canadians among them, but I'd bet more than zero.

CAN recognizes IRQ as a country and all that, with diplomatic relations going along with it.

Some folks seem ... at least underwhelmed over how IRQ handles terrorism cases.

UN: Islamic State Militants Not Getting Fair Trials in Iraq

UN report says war criminals must be held accountable, but due process is also important

www.voanews.com

Flawed Justice

The 76-page report, “Flawed Justice: Accountability for ISIS Crimes in Iraq,” examines the screening, detention, investigation, and prosecution of some of the thousands of Islamic State (also known as ISIS) suspects in Iraq. Human Rights Watch found serious legal shortcomings that undermine the...

www.hrw.org

So, is Ottawa ready ready to deal with these guys? Any lessons learned from the Khadr case re: how to deal with Canadian nationals in the clink elsewhere for terrorism when we have our own laws to try them?

We'll see ...

Yeah, prosecutions back home could be challenging as hell from an admissible evidence standpoint. And some of them probably went over before the “travel to participate” offence was even created, so that ‘easy button’ maybe not even be available. I’ll be curious to see how this all plays out.