C/CWO Bloggins, LSM, ACSM

[Jonny Boy]

i was just thinking. why don't we have abbreviations after cadets names when cadets have certain medals. for example the Army cadet service medal. the CF has the CD and that is always after there name. so why not have like

C/CWO Bloggins, LSM, ACSM

it would only be for certain medals. like the top 3 medals  and the service medal.

just thinking. it would be kind of neat.

 

[ouyin2000]

you mean Post Nominal letters? like CD, VC, etc

i think that's because only the most "important" medals get those, albeit the CD is not necessarily seen as "important"

i think it's not needed right now, just something else shiny to add to your portfolio

 

[Jonny Boy]

ya post nominal letters.

it may be something more to add to a profile but it is important to cadets. it doesn't matter what the military see's as important.  i don't think it should be given for every medal. not everyone will get a medal that gives them PNL's

 

[ouyin2000]

but from what i understand, you would like the Lord Strat, Legion Medal, and ACSM to all have post nominal letters, which means "everyone" who manages to stay in cadets long enough will be elligible for the post nominal letters.

if you want to make it special, then maybe just for the Cadet Bravery Medal, and/or MGen Howard Award, since those are among the rarest medals to achieve

 

[Jonny Boy]

ya those are the ones i mean. i don't think the legion should. they are way to common. the lord strath maybe, major general, bravary and the ones practically never see yes. expept the ACSM i think you should get it. working 5 years at it should get you some extra little things. also it would be like the CD

 

[ROTP Applicant]

i was just thinking. why don't we have abbreviations after cadets names when cadets have certain medals.

Why would you want to have the abbreviations after your name? Are you that insecure about yourself that you need to take advantage of every opportunity that would "show-off" what you have achieved throughout your cadet career? Yes you're proud of your achievements, but cadets isn't about medals or badges or pointless abbreviations after your name.

 

[Kat Stevens]

you mean Post Nominal letters? like CD, VC, etc

i think that's because only the most "important" medals get those, albeit the CD is not necessarily seen as "important"

i think it's not needed right now, just something else shiny to add to your portfolio

You're absolutely right.  23 years in the army got me a CD with clasp...23 years, not important at all.....

Kat

 

[Sapper Bloggins]

Hmmm... : you are cadets--kids. Worry about finishing high school not about 'decorative' medals. What's next giving the Cub Scouts a medal for tying a fly?! Thanks for the chuckle, now go to your room. ;D

 

[ouyin2000]

not all of us are kids...i graduated from high school last june

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I don't care how old you are, or where you are or how you got there.

The Gov't decides. IIRC, it's DHH that designates them.  Maybe through the GG's office, I'm not sure. Even so, should you get a Post Nominal for your Cadet service, but a person that done two tours of A'ghan can't? How many letters do you want behind your name? Most people don't even know what QC behind a lawyer means, let alone all the military stuff you'd prefer. The satisfaction comes from knowing whatever you've done, you did your best, when you were asked. Not what you want to foist on some poor sap that thinks your important because you've got a bunch of letters behind your name. Next you'll want a ribbon because you passed your Cadet BMQ. Kinda like the US Coast Guard Private I met, 18 years old, at a Marine dinner. He had twelve ribbons. All for passing courses and visiting different ports, but they were all on the Great Lakes, he'd never really left the inland water system. I still liked him, great kid, but my four medals impressed him more, because I was Canadian, and he knew how stingy we are with our stuff.

I digress.
What is your fascination with trying to impress people? Your in uniform, that should suffice, be proud of what you belong to. Your medals only add to that fact.

Humbleness and humility is the name of our game. You know what you've done to get where you are, let your quiet reserve speak to your actions. Life is more than being the biggest rooster in the coop. If Post Nominals are your concern at the moment, you need to get another life, because your going to be disappointed with this one.

 

[Saorse]

I have to agree with those above that post nominal letters in a cadet name are quite unnecessary. If we are awarded medals, we know, our respected comrades know, and our uniforms show for it.

If my legion veterans had post nominal letters after their name for their decorations, it would take them three years to sign a cheque. To have something like this, whereas those much more deserving than us do not worry about these things, would be almost, in my mind, a mockery to those more worthy.

I don't think we need something like this at all: good idea, but not one that I hope is ever instituted.

 

[bossi]

...  but it is important to cadets. it doesn't matter what the military see's as important.  ...

First and foremost, I strongly disagree with your proposal.
Post nominals are, should, and shall only be for those honours deemed significant enough that the recipient's name becomes inexorably linked to them (e.g. VC, CV, SC, MB, etc.) - it would dilute, or cheapen the meaning if this practice were to become too widely spread (e.g. the "Spam" medal ...)

Finally, if you truly believe that "it doesn't matter what the military see's as important" ... well ... I'm inclined to recommend you stop and give your head a shake.  Did you hear anything?  If you didn't, I wouldn't be surprised.  I'm no expert on cadets, but I kinda think they owe their continued existence to ... the military ... 

 

[Jonny Boy]

Why would you want to have the abbreviations after your name? Are you that insecure about yourself that you need to take advantage of every opportunity that would "show-off" what you have achieved throughout your cadet career? Yes you're proud of your achievements, but cadets isn't about medals or badges or pointless abbreviations after your name.

i don't have any medals so i would not get anything added to my name to how you said "show off". i will be lucky to get the legion medal by the time i leave and that is one of the ones i said did not deserve the abbreviation

I don't care how old you are, or where you are or how you got there.

Next you'll want a ribbon because you passed your Cadet BMQ. Kinda like the US Coast Guard Private I met, 18 years old, at a Marine dinner. He had twelve ribbons. All for passing courses and visiting different ports, but they were all on the Great Lakes, he'd never really left the inland water system. I still liked him, great kid, but my four medals impressed him more, because I was Canadian, and he knew how stingy we are with our stuff.

I digress.
What is your fascination with trying to impress people? Your in uniform, that should suffice, be proud of what you belong to. Your medals only add to that fact.

Humbleness and humility is the name of our game. You know what you've done to get where you are, let your quiet reserve speak to your actions. Life is more than being the biggest rooster in the coop. If Post Nominals are your concern at the moment, you need to get another life, because your going to be disappointed with this one.

i would never want ribbons for the cadets. the Americans get ribbons for everything. we all know that why should there cadets be any different?

cadets don't do a BMQ we do summer camps and we get a badge for it that goes on our sleeve. if we do another camp the next year we take the old one off and put on a new one so we wouldn't have like 12 ribbons for different camps we have done.

what do you mean "What is your fascination with trying to impress people?" i am not cadet bloggins and i have no medals. i am not trying to impress anyone.

last thing why am i going to be disappointed with this life?

If my legion veterans had post nominal letters after their name for their decorations, it would take them three years to sign a cheque. To have something like this, whereas those much more deserving than us do not worry about these things, would be almost, in my mind, a mockery to those more worthy.

people do not sign checks with post nominals. simply first and last name, or your signature. so is cadets wearing military ranks a mockery of the military and those who really deserve them?

First and foremost, I strongly disagree with your proposal.

it was just something i was thinking about. it is not like i am writing the CF head office and proposing it

Finally, if you truly believe that "it doesn't matter what the military See's as important" ... well ... I'm inclined to recommend you stop and give your head a shake.   Did you hear anything?   If you didn't, I wouldn't be surprised.   I'm no expert on cadets, but I kinda think they owe their continued existence to ... the military ...  

i didnt mean it dosent matter.it is what i saidbut what i ment was we are cadets, army air or navy. we wear the ranks of members of the CF (even thought they mean nothing in the accual CF) and i was just thinking why not have post nominominal medals such as the bravary award or a medal like that. it has only been awarded like 8 times and it is a pretty important medal.it is like the cadet equivilant to the V.C. i know it is not even close but it is the cadet equivilant.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

what do you mean "What is your fascination with trying to impress people?" i am not cadet bloggins and i have no medals. i am not trying to impress anyone.

Don't flatter yourself. Who said I was talking to you? 

 

[Jonny Boy]

lol oh OK never mind that than :-[.  who were you talking about cadets in general?

 

[Big Foot]

The Bravery Medal is not only a cadet medal, to the best of my knowledge all Canadian citizens are eligible to win it, should the circumstances warrant its awarding. It can be awarded to civilians and military personnel. It does not warrant the use of post nominal letters. With the exception of the CD, which in itself deserves post-nominal letters, at least in my opinion, very few medals get post-nominals. I don't see why cadets need them. As far as I'm concerned, you gotta do something quite remarkable to get them, and thats how it should stay.
Oh, and heres the link for the Medal of Bravery:
http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/sub.cfm?source=collections/cmdp/mainmenu/group02/mb

 

[Pte. Bloggins]

not all of us are kids...i graduated from high school last june

So did I.  ;D

 

[Jonny Boy]

The Bravery Medal is not only a cadet medal, to the best of my knowledge all Canadian citizens are eligible to win it, should the circumstances warrant its awarding. It can be awarded to civilians and military personnel. It does not warrant the use of post nominal letters. With the exception of the CD, which in itself deserves post-nominal letters, at least in my opinion, very few medals get post-nominals. I don't see why cadets need them. As far as I'm concerned, you gotta do something quite remarkable to get them, and thats how it should stay.
Oh, and heres the link for the Medal of Bravery:
http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/sub.cfm?source=collections/cmdp/mainmenu/group02/mb

no no i am not talking about the Medal of Bravary. i am talking about the cadetaward for bravary. it is the highest cadet medal in the cadet program.

here is a link to some stuff about it.


Cadet Medal Requirements:

http://www.cadets.ca/_docs/cato-oaic/1316B_b.pdf

here is one of all the winners. be sure to look att he right medal
http://www.armycadethistory.com/medals_awards_trophies.htm

 

[garb811]

The Bravery Medal is not only a cadet medal, to the best of my knowledge all Canadian citizens are eligible to win it, should the circumstances warrant its awarding. It can be awarded to civilians and military personnel. It does not warrant the use of post nominal letters.

Actually, the postnominals for the Medal of Bravery are "M.B.".   Canadian Orders, Decorations and Medals - Precedence: Honours   This site shows the relevant, and correct, postnominals for all Canadian Orders, Decorations and Medals.   Some people might want to take a look at the postnominals for the Canadian Forces Decoration, notice you don't see "C.D.1/2/3"...   :   You may be surprised at the number with postnominals as all Orders and Decorations have them, as well as 3 of the Medals.

As for Cadet Medals qualifying for postnominals, you should probably note that the RCMP Long Service Medal, the Police/Fire/Corrections/Coast Guard/Emergency Medical Services/Peace Officer Exemplary Service Medals, Ontario Medal for Police Bravery, Ontario Medal for Firefighters Bravery etc don't have postnominals either, and these are medals "officially awarded under the authority of the Crown" and take more than "...successfully complet(ing) five years of honourable service with no serious infractions,and be recommended by the Cadet Corps Commanding Officer." to be awarded.   I held out a bit of hope for your idea when I saw the Ontario Medal for Good Citizenship had the postnominals of O.M.C. but once I saw that the Commissionaire Long Service Medal didn't have them, that faint hope was dashed.  

On the other hand, perusing your link I see that I'm eligable for the Army Cadet Long Service Medal:

6. All Army Cadets past or future shall be eligible for this award.

Guess I'll have to fill out the form, send in my $10 and sign whatever petition you're going to get going for this whole postnominals hooha, as I think it'd be quite neat to have Mr Meat Head C.D. A.C.S.M. on my cheques...  

Interestingly enough it appears that there has been, or may be, an attempt to get this medal officially recognized:

11. ... The Army Cadet Service Medal will be worn at the extreme left of all decorations and medals of the Cadet system, all in accordance with existing dress regulations of the Canadian Cadet Organization and, if/where permitted, of the Canadian Honours System.

Be interesting to see how many guys actually applied for the medal and had it mounted if that happened.

 

[Saorse]

To comment on the rank comment,

Our ranks used to be red, and even still, our epaulets have "CADET," and our shoulder flashes something about cadets. We by no means mean to look like we belong to the CF; we do distinguish ourselves apart