C3 Grounding

[gun runner]

No salutes! What about Rememberance day, Canada day, et al? Thunderflashes? Really? This is a sad day for all gunners. I don't believe there is such a thing as a blank  charge for the 81mm. Our government has whittled away the Forces to the bones, and now even the basics are harder to perform. :2c: Ubique

 

[Colin Parkinson]

thankfully my old unit has almost enough 25pdrs to form a battery, just call it a 87mm mortar and request parts and ammo.  ;D

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Will 15th FD be saluting with it's guns on Remembrance day?

 

[Petard]

It's not quite dead yet!
Yes, revival of a very old thread, but this latest news does relate to it, and also gives an idea of how long it can take to get try and solve it, and possibly get a few more years out of the C3 fleet
EDIT: Removed link as per site guidelines.
Bruce

 

[dapaterson]

News article from the US Army on Canada's C3s, and how the US is conducting engineering studies:

http://www.army.mil/article/118704/U_S___Canada_partner_to_upgrade_Canadian_howitzer/

 

[MilEME09]

News article from the US Army on Canada's C3s, and how the US is conducting engineering studies:

http://www.army.mil/article/118704/U_S___Canada_partner_to_upgrade_Canadian_howitzer/

Interesting article, maybe my C3 howitzer maintenance course wont be cancelled now in 2016, I was told it might be cancelled due to the possibility of the C3 being removed from the system

 

[Nfld Sapper]

From the article....since when have we been called:

Canadian Royal Army

  ???

Interesting article, maybe my C3 howitzer maintenance course wont be cancelled now in 2016, I was told it might be cancelled due to the possibility of the C3 being removed from the system

Don't bet your career on that.....

 

[Journeyman]

From the article....since when have we been called: 

Canadian Royal Army

???

Obviously assuming that we're Royalists, differentiating us from those "Roundhead" Parliamentarians.  ;D

 

[MilEME09]

Don't bet your career on that.....

I stopped betting on the weapons school and CFSEME the moment i stepped into borden for my DP1

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Got that article in my e-mail, it's a good idea that should have been done say  decade ago...... As for the 2 decade replacement timeline, while likely based in reality, it's a crime that it would take that long to replace such a simple system. maybe we should buy older Russian guns, re-barrel to 105 and call it a day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/122_mm_howitzer_2A18_%28D-30%29

 

[MilEME09]

Well if you want to go old soviet, I found a few of these for sale

http://www.milweb.net/webverts/59757/

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Got to admit it would certainly make an impression during the "Freedom of the city" parades.... ;D

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Interesting, not sure if they are producing new guns or reconditioning old ones. 11 people for a 105mm? Man didn't I wish for that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1Fn3SIqqp8

 

[Cardstonkid]

That's a pretty good development of the 105. I suspect the first rounds could be fired in under a minute, it's no Archer, but a good lower cost alternative. Too bad it will never get this is Canada, lol.

 

[Tibbson]

Got that article in my e-mail, it's a good idea that should have been done say  decade ago...... As for the 2 decade replacement timeline, while likely based in reality, it's a crime that it would take that long to replace such a simple system. maybe we should buy older Russian guns, re-barrel to 105 and call it a day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/122_mm_howitzer_2A18_%28D-30%29

I would hope we could re-barrel them easier and more effectively then we were able to convert 4 used Brit subs. 

 

[Petard]

A truck mounted 105 is not a new idea, even for Canada
The last go at it was mentioned here:
http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/1582.0

That died out too (fortunately I'd say)

 

[Nfld Sapper]

Except all the links from that thread are dead....

 

[Petard]

The pt is the idea was kicked around about 2003-2004, discussed here on the boards in 2004, and (like those links) the whole thing died

Here's some info on some of the thinking behind it at the time
http://www.casr.ca/bg-artillery-mavs-project.htm

 

[MilEME09]

A LAVIII 105 SPG? interesting concept, would make fleet maintenance easier with many part commonalities, I feel though it would take a lot of modification to work, look at what happened to the now dead MMEV, thing fell over during testing after firing a missile

 

[Old Sweat]

It seems to this well past his best before date mud gunner that a LAVIII 105mm SP would be a non-starter if for no other reason than why? It would be a major engineering project and very expensive for the few platforms we would need. It also would be very much a poor cousin of the M777 in all sorts of areas.

While the vehicles are very different, we tried to develop a Bobcat 105mm SP in the late fifties/early sixties. Unfortunately it had a number of bad points, including shedding tracks when it was fired. (As a gunner arty tech circa 1959 I saw it happen when our battery was tasked to provide a CP in Petawawa to support a trial.) When we bought the M113 somebody had the idea of doing the same with it, but cooler heads prevailed and we bought the M109.