CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[Fishbone Jones]

If his aim is territorial expansion then Canada having all the trading partners in the world won’t make a difference.
He’ll just arrange for a radio station to be “attacked”.

It's not. Unless we let him.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I love peated Irish whisky. Irish, not scotch. Scotch is what resulted when the Crown forbade the Irish to make whisky. The Scots started making it and cut enough corners to make it friendly to their uncouth palette.

Scotch is for people who like to chew on wet soggy dirt and moss.

Canadian Rye and Irish Whiskey for me.

Also I can't say no to Caesar or G&T.

 

[Cloud Cover]

I guess we could park a Leopard at each port of entry. They wouldn't have to roll far once they got off the flatbed.

Swarms of Black Flies after we spray 10th Mountain with maple syrup.

 

[Remius]

Swarms of Black Flies after we spray 10th Mountain with maple syrup.

That’s a waste. Plenty of corn syrup for that.

 

[brihard]

Feel free to go through my posts and find where I said I agree with his use of tariffs.

I am on the fence, in the middle, not overly concerned of the tariffs on either side being the end game. I can think beyond the here and now and extreme rhetoric from both sides. I can see the tariff issue as a means to drive both sides into a negotiated settlement. Rather than hang around and not be able to see beyond the tariff starting blocks. Which trudeau just did. Retaliating in the here and now instead of looking a few steps further down the process.

I think both sides are wrong in the use of tariffs, but I think, maybe, Trump is using this as a cudgel. He knows the broken promises, hedging and dishonest discussions of dealing with trudeau and his jellyfish. This might well have been designed to make people act. However, they respond. It's shit or get off the pot time and break a few eggs. Not time to make appeasing pseudo agreements still outstanding 4 years from now.

Call it stupid, call it fanciful or whatever else you want. We need someone that can get in to see him and speak on his level, like Kevin O'Leary, who has the skills and is already in on the favourful edge of Trumps circle. We need to have someone sit across the table and say "what's your bottom line and how do we make it a win, win for us both. Trump needs to see we are serious about our commitments, including NATO. We need to put our money where our mouth is and move on from the petty games.

So, as you can see, I've never been for the tariffs on either side, I'm for finding out the end game and negotiating, in good faith for a change, a way to get there advantagous to both of us.

Just to be clear, I didn’t accuse you of supporting the tariffs. I did ask if you think Trump bears any responsibility because you’re his biggest supporter here and I’m curious if this affects your views of him at all, though I won’t push you in that. You sorta conceded that he does wear some of this without actually mentioning him, so I’ll give you that.

 

[YZT580]

Opportunity is born of chaos, and we are about to face substantial chaos. It's time for us to broaden our supply chains so that we're not so dependent on the US. For example, do we need citrus from Florida or California? No, we can get that from any number of other stable sources. Will there be short term pain? Yes, but we will adjust to slightly higher prices for goods over time.

shipping costs really don't add that much. If they did, products from Asia would carry higher price tags. At the moment, beef from Australia for example is dollars per kilo less than either American or Canadian. (at least it is on the grocery shelf) Our problem will be developing other markets and more importantly the infrastructure to get it there. Previous posts have mentioned pipe lines. The news should be carrying evidence of serious plans to start laying pipe in 3 directions: west, east to Hudson's Bay and east to New Brunswick. All this handwringing simply sounds like the same old losers making excuses for their failures. And we should be drilling as well: adding product accessibility to feed those new lines. Both Germany and Japan have asked to work with us; go for it. Trade oil for subs with Korea. But stop sounding like a spoilt 10 year old

 

[ModlrMike]

The current list from GoC:

List of products from the United States subject to 25 per cent tariffs effective February 4, 2025 - Canada.ca

Effective February 4, 2025, the government is imposing 25 per cent tariffs on $30 billion in goods imported from the United States (U.S.).

www.canada.ca

 

[MilEME09]

The current list from GoC:

List of products from the United States subject to 25 per cent tariffs effective February 4, 2025 - Canada.ca

Effective February 4, 2025, the government is imposing 25 per cent tariffs on $30 billion in goods imported from the United States (U.S.).

www.canada.ca

Agricultural products will hit a lot of states, tires, glass and UAVs will also bite pretty good

 

[Kirkhill]

Opportunity is born of chaos, and we are about to face substantial chaos. It's time for us to broaden our supply chains so that we're not so dependent on the US. For example, do we need citrus from Florida or California? No, we can get that from any number of other stable sources. Will there be short term pain? Yes, but we will adjust to slightly higher prices for goods over time.

A lot of your juices and concentrates already come from places like Brazil and Chile. They have been cheaper than American supply for decades.

 

[QV]

Canada going with tariffs is the wrong approach. We are now in a race to see who can tax ourselves the most. Looking at either country’s economy should inform you which country will be able to weather that far easier then the next.

We are led by imbeciles who have been wrong again and again.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

The average philistine bourbon drinker drinks JD because it's cheap and available... How many years of JD being more expensive than 40 Creek does it take to shift consumer interest?

JD is to good bourbon as Fireball is to whiskey, or Dewars is to Scotch.

I have a lot of time to think about these things now that I am dry...and missing great bourbon and top-notch single malt Scotch

 

[Kirkhill]

I love peated Irish whisky. Irish, not scotch. Scotch is what resulted when the Crown forbade the Irish to make whisky. The Scots started making it and cut enough corners to make it friendly to their uncouth palette.

Bollocks. The Benedictines were in Scotland before they were in Ireland. They taught the lowlanders the art of triple distilling.

 

[Remius]

Canada going with tariffs is the wrong approach. We are now in a race to see who can tax ourselves the most. Looking at either country’s economy should inform you which country will be able to weather that far easier then the next.

Except it isn’t just our economy at a play.

We are led by imbeciles who have been wrong again and again.

So, what would be the right response then? The right approach in your view?

PP is demanding a dollar for dollar tariff response. Are you saying he is an imbecile? Or will be if he leads us as projected?

 

[The Bread Guy]

He’ll just arrange for a radio station to be “attacked”.

Good one - well played! “I’ll take world-changing events that happened in smallish German/Polish border towns for $400, Alex.”

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

JD is to good bourbon as Fireball is to whiskey, or Dewars is to Scotch.

I have a lot of time to think about these things now that I am dry...and missing great bourbon and top-notch single malt Scotch

Insult Fireball again and it's on.....

 

[Remius]

I love how liquor brings everyone together…

 

[QV]

Except it isn’t just our economy at a play.

So, what would be the right response then? The right approach in your view?

PP is demanding a dollar for dollar tariff response. Are you saying he is an imbecile? Or will be if he leads us as projected?

I think PP is wrong. I think he is saying these things because he reads the emotive response of “hurah! Go Canada! We’re punching back!” Foisted by the media and lapped up by the sheep. He’s trying to avoid being called a traitor by the media/LPC machine by taking any other measured position (D. Smith) that could jeopardize his electoral chances.

The right approach in my view would be do nothing on tariffs. But immediately do the following:
- rapidly accelerate energy development, thats O&G, coal, nuclear, and LNG, not windmills
-rapidly accelerate a means to move that product in every direction, Quebec be damned
-rapidly reduce inter provincial trade barriers
-immediately halt foreign aid that serves no real national interest, plenty to trim here
-drop expensive vote buying social programs, this would need detailed analysis but includes the over correction of DEI
-rapid overhaul of government procurement for fast acquisitions
-rapid build out of CAF capabilities, and recruiting, use mainly American hardware.
-drop the net zero cult goal and everything that goes with it, even NASA says we’re good
-create business environment for investment, Canada has lost billions under Trudeau.
-take drastic measures to root out foreign adversarial influence focusing on the CCP first.
-serious on border and immigration


We won’t win a tit for tat tariff war against an economy 12x our size that imports a small percentage of its overall from us. In fact, I think that’s how you get to the 51st state much faster.

There is no way Trudeau will do many of those things - it would mean he’s been wrong for 10 years. Hence tariff war for the plebes.

 

[JLB50]

I’ve said plenty. I’m just enjoying some of the hysterical posts here today. If only we had this kind of emotion from you lot when Trudeau was putting in barriers to O&G exports, wrecking the CAF, courting the CCP, or any other general corruptness.

A lot of people here have been speaking out against Trudeau for years now, myself included. And to think I helped vote him into office in the first place. I’m definitely not a fan of Trudeau. And I’m not a fan of Poilievre either. Nor of Biden in the U.S. Trump? The guy is dangerous…to his country…to ours…and to the world. Simply because he has an overwhelming mandate given to him by the U.S. electorate doesn’t make him a great leader. Only an immensely powerful one.

 

[JLB50]

Bollocks. The Benedictines were in Scotland before they were in Ireland. They taught the lowlanders the art of triple distilling.

The Benedictines? So would that make it a Holy Spirit?

 

[Remius]

I think PP is wrong. I think he is saying these things because he reads the emotive response of “hurah! Go Canada! We’re punching back!” Foisted by the media and lapped up by the sheep. He’s trying to avoid being called a traitor by the media/LPC machine by taking any other measured position (D. Smith) that could jeopardize his electoral chances.

I disagree but I accept that you are at least being consistant.

The right approach in my view would be do nothing on tariffs. But immediately do the following:
- rapidly accelerate energy development, thats O&G, coal, nuclear, and LNG, not windmills

Agreed.

-rapidly accelerate a means to move that product in every direction, Quebec be damned

Agreed.

-rapidly reduce inter provincial trade barriers

Agreed.

-immediately halt foreign aid that serves no real national interest, plenty to trim here

Sort of agree. But to be honest with the US pulling out of certain things Canada will likely as well as without the US those initiatives won’t have any effect.

-drop expensive vote buying social programs, this would need detailed analysis but includes the over correction of DEI

Depends on what.

-rapid overhaul of government procurement for fast acquisitions

Agreed.

-rapid build out of CAF capabilities, and recruiting, use mainly American hardware.

Disagree. Yes on increasing CAF capabilities but this current situations shows that the US can and will try and bully us. I would use American hardware for continental defense. Stay intergrated on those and start looking to Europe or else where for other capabilities.

-drop the net zero cult goal and everything that goes with it, even NASA says we’re good

Partly agree. I’d do it differently.

-create business environment for investment, Canada has lost billions under Trudeau.

Agreed.

-take drastic measures to root out foreign adversarial influence focusing on the CCP first.

Agreed. Have to be careful with drastic.

-serious on border and immigration

Agree but we already have taken steps in ten right direction on both.

We won’t win a tit for tat tariff war against an economy 12x our size that imports a small percentage of its overall from us. In fact, I think that’s how you get to the 51st state much faster.

No one is doing a tit for tat though. So far this is very targeted and needs to be coordinated with other nations.

There is no way Trudeau will do many of those things - it would mean he’s been wrong for 10 years. Hence tariff war for the plebes.

Trudeau is essentially gone. Someone else will be at helm.