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CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

No clue. Ford said he didn’t care
If so that's really stupid virtue signalling of him.

Didn't we do that a few years with a helicopter contract? Canceled the contract, didn't get the new helicopters, and had to pay more in fees than the original contract was worth. Unless I'm misremembering that.
 
Both options.
Carney's was the worse mistake, showed his inexperience and naivety. Took a nothing burger and turned it into a legitimate black mark on his public record.

The CPC response makes me more angry though. It's pure partisan gaslighting- no different than the LPC on gun control.
 
If so that's really stupid virtue signalling of him.

Didn't we do that a few years with a helicopter contract? Canceled the contract, didn't get the new helicopters, and had to pay more in fees than the original contract was worth. Unless I'm misremembering that.
Like I said I don’t know the details of that contract. Ford doesn’t care though.

But he said he would do that. He campaigned on getting a mandate to fight Trump and he got it. So I guess Ontarians are ok with it.
 
If we cancel the contract are we going g to end up paying millions of dollars in cancelation fees?

If so, AND starlink keeps 100% of their product, that seems like a win for starlink and a loss for canadian tax payers. Especially ones counting on that internet access.

I'd rather see (heh) Ford shut the lights off.
Just picture Chretien signing the documents for the helicopter contract cancellation. A shining moment in the sun for the politician at the expense of the cut-off subscribers.
 
If so that's really stupid virtue signalling of him.

Didn't we do that a few years with a helicopter contract? Canceled the contract, didn't get the new helicopters, and had to pay more in fees than the original contract was worth. Unless I'm misremembering that.
$500 million was the penalty. The contract was considerably more than that. Nevertheless, that was about 0.4% of federal revenues at the time.
 

Did some very quick research and found that the US imports 46% of it's nickel as of 2023 from... Canada, as we sit on top of the biggest deposit on the NA continent. There is only a single nickel mine in the US (Eagle Mine in Michigan) and it doesn't put out anywhere near enough to meet demand. So this is an extremely good card to have.

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Ford’s interview with NBC News NOW on Monday afternoon came after an earlier press conference in Toronto where he mused about introducing legislation that would require retailers to place signage on shelves indicating whether a product is Canadian made amid a potential trade war with the United States.

“I am asking politely before I implement it. Every retail store when you go look at the shelf talker and it has the price we need to see a Canadian flag on that price. Please work with us or we are going to legislate it,” Ford said.

I admit as not a really big Ford fan that this is a very good idea and fully support it.
 

Did some very quick research and found that the US imports 46% of it's nickel as of 2023 from... Canada, as we sit on top of the biggest deposit on the NA continent. There is only a single nickel mine in the US (Eagle Mine in Michigan) and it doesn't put out anywhere near enough to meet demand. So this is an extremely good card to have.

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I admit as not a really big Ford fan that this is a very good idea and fully support it.
The US also doesn't refine its own nickel, it all goes to Sudbury. So turning off that tap would have a significant knock down effect.
 
Would you say you're more inclined to vote Liberal/NDP or Conservative?
Red Tory. Still frustrated at Mackay's last leadership loss. Have let my CPC membership lapse under Poilievre's leadership. Between a great CPC MP (Alex Ruff) and the need to see JT gone I would for sure have held my nose and given PP a vote, but now I'll wait and see the new leader's platform.
 
The US also doesn't refine its own nickel, it all goes to Sudbury. So turning off that tap would have a significant knock down effect.

Buying up the nickel we might not be exporting anymore and stockpiling it to keep the mines going doesn't seem like a terrible idea, especially with Nippon Steel teaming up with Champion Iron and Sojitz on the Kamistiatusset iron ore mine project. We're going to need a lot of quality steel if we're going to be getting serious about defense.
 


Statement by the Prime Minister on unjustified U.S. tariffs against Canada​

The Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, today issued the following statement on unjustified U.S. tariffs against Canada:

“Today, after a 30-day pause, the United States administration has decided to proceed with imposing 25 per cent tariffs on Canadian exports and 10 per cent tariffs on Canadian energy. Let me be unequivocally clear – there is no justification for these actions.

“While less than 1 per cent of the fentanyl intercepted at the U.S. border comes from Canada, we have worked relentlessly to address this scourge that affects Canadians and Americans alike. We implemented a $1.3 billion border plan with new choppers, boots on the ground, more co-ordination, and increased resources to stop the flow of fentanyl. We appointed a Fentanyl Czar, listed transnational criminal cartels as terrorist organizations, launched the Joint Operational Intelligence Cell, and are establishing a Canada-U.S. Joint Strike Force on organized crime. Because of this work – in partnership with the United States – fentanyl seizures from Canada have dropped 97 per cent between December 2024 and January 2025 to a near-zero low of 0.03 pounds seized by U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

“Canada will not let this unjustified decision go unanswered. Should American tariffs come into effect tonight, Canada will, effective 12:01 a.m. EST tomorrow, respond with 25 per cent tariffs against $155 billion of American goods – starting with tariffs on $30 billion worth of goods immediately, and tariffs on the remaining $125 billion on American products in 21 days’ time. Our tariffs will remain in place until the U.S. trade action is withdrawn, and should U.S. tariffs not cease, we are in active and ongoing discussions with provinces and territories to pursue several non-tariff measures. While we urge the U.S. administration to reconsider their tariffs, Canada remains firm in standing up for our economy, our jobs, our workers, and for a fair deal.

“Because of the tariffs imposed by the U.S., Americans will pay more for groceries, gas, and cars, and potentially lose thousands of jobs. Tariffs will disrupt an incredibly successful trading relationship. They will violate the very trade agreement that was negotiated by President Trump in his last term.”
 
Buying up the nickel we might not be exporting anymore and stockpiling it to keep the mines going doesn't seem like a terrible idea, especially with Nippon Steel teaming up with Champion Iron and Sojitz on the Kamistiatusset iron ore mine project. We're going to need a lot of quality steel if we're going to be getting serious about defense.
You're trying to outguess commodities speculators. Probably a bad idea.
 
Red Tory. Still frustrated at Mackay's last leadership loss. Have let my CPC membership lapse under Poilievre's leadership. Between a great CPC MP (Alex Ruff) and the need to see JT gone I would for sure have held my nose and given PP a vote, but now I'll wait and see the new leader's platform.
Willing to ignore the last 10 years of Liberal behavior for someone who's already caught lying multiple times about insignificant things?
 
$500 million was the penalty. The contract was considerably more than that. Nevertheless, that was about 0.4% of federal revenues at the time.
And 10% of DND budget that year.

And we ended up buying less helicopters for the same amount (unadjusted for inflation) ten years later.
 
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