CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[QV]

Than Lutnick and Trump, absolutely! He still is on orders from Lutnick.

Even Nutlick Lutnick came across as more believable. Not scripted, no "ummm... ahhhh" with vague detail... just a frustrated rant.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Or call it ‘Kansas Cut.’ (=1-1/2”/38mm)

I'm not sure they have the fillet mignon attached.

A true porterhouse is a T-bone steak with a fillet mignon attached. Heaven on earth for a steak lover.

 

[Genetk44]

Having watched/read both the US and Canadian responses in several forms of media, and considering other factors in play, Greer comes across as more believable.

It’s been pretty obvious for awhile that you are essentially a pro-America/ pro-Trump supporter and that is fine, everybody is entitled to their opinions. And while I agree that compared to Trump himself or Lutnick, Greer seems more believable and rational, I’ve actually seen and heard him say things over the past year that were factually and provably complete lies. So he really isn’t much of a good example to back your position.

 

[QV]

It’s been pretty obvious for awhile that you are essentially a pro-America/ pro-Trump supporter and that is fine, everybody is entitled to their opinions. And while I agree that compared to Trump himself or Lutnick, Greer seems more believable and rational, I’ve actually seen and heard him say things over the past year that were factually and provably complete lies. So he really isn’t much of a good example to back your position.

So far likewise for our PM, unfortunately.

Are you saying the LPC would never stoop this low for some sort of electoral advantage?

What could the US motivation be to sewer this now?

What could the LPC motivation be to sewer this now?

 

[Altair]

So far likewise for our PM, unfortunately.

Are you saying the LPC would never stoop this low for some sort of electoral advantage?

Except all the Premiers were kept abreast of the talks and seem to believe the Canadian negotiation team version of events. Only one Liberal at the table, Susan Holt.

So unless you're saying every Premier is also lying or is easily duped...ah, who am I kidding.

 

[QV]

It’s been pretty obvious for awhile that you are essentially a pro-America/ pro-Trump supporter and that is fine, everybody is entitled to their opinions.

I'm a Canadian who is very pro-American. I'm also very pro-Mexican. In fact as I've stated on here before, I believe we (Canada) should be doing everything we can with the US and Mexico and securing Fortress North America. For prosperity and security. In doing so I acknowledge we may need to give a little, but I believe we'd get a lot. Long-term, this is the way IMO.

 

[Altair]

I'm a Canadian who is very pro-American. I'm also very pro-Mexican. In fact as I've stated on here before, I believe we (Canada) should be doing everything we can with the US and Mexico and securing Fortress North America. For prosperity and security. In doing so I acknowledge we may need to give a little, but I believe we'd get a lot. Long-term, this is the way IMO.

Shame at this rate we end up in the EU.

Well, not a shame for me.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

So far likewise for our PM, unfortunately.

Are you saying the LPC would never stoop this low for some sort of electoral advantage?

What could the US motivation be to sewer this now?

What could the LPC motivation be to sewer this now?

If you are suggesting that the Government of Canada is as corrupt, untrustworthy, capricious, and rapacious as the Trump administration, then I question if there are any limits to whataboutism in this thread.

Being a creative disruptor and fun-seeking troll is one thing. It is useful, and mildly interesting. This is entirely another thing. I only hope that you say these things to get a rise.

 

[QV]

If you are suggesting that the Government of Canada is as corrupt, untrustworthy, capricious, and rapacious as the Trump administration, then I question if there are any limits to whataboutism in this thread.

Being a creative disruptor and fun-seeking troll is one thing. It is useful, and mildly interesting. This is entirely another thing. I only hope that you say these things to get a rise.

I think a more accurate way to characterize it would be that I'm suggesting the gap between this government and that government is not as far as some of you want to believe.

 

[Genetk44]

So far likewise for our PM, unfortunately.

Are you saying the LPC would never stoop this low for some sort of electoral advantage?

What could the US motivation be to sewer this now?

What could the LPC motivation be to sewer this now?

You keep deflecting. I made no assertions about the LPC or Carney or our trade reps. I only responded to your premise that Greer is more believable. Instead Greer has been consistently dishonest and misleading about Canada from day 1.

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[PPCLI Guy]

I think a more accurate way to characterize it would be that I'm suggesting the gap between this government and that government is not as far as some of you want to believe.

That I understand, and it is a completely valid observation. Thank you for the clarification

 

[Genetk44]

In case the Facebook link I added in my previous post won’t open for you guys here is the complete text.

“ Let's talk about Jamieson Greer's complaints about Canada, and the rather enormous piece of the story he seems to have misplaced.
“Canada has banned the sale of liquor and spirits.”
THE REALITY: No, the Canadian federal government did not wake up one morning and declare war on American booze. In response to U.S. trade measures, eight of Canada's ten provincial liquor boards pulled American wine, beer, and spirits from their government-run shelves. That's called retaliation. It's not Canada randomly deciding that Americans had suddenly become too good at making beer.
“We haven't banned anything from Canada.”
THE REALITY: No, you just slapped Canadian goods with 50% tariffs, making them substantially more expensive for American consumers. The distinction is that Canada retaliated while the United States initiated the economic attack. That's a pretty important distinction. You don't get to punch someone in the face and then act personally offended when they have the nerve to punch back.
“They've capped the type of autos we can bring in.”
THE REALITY: Canada didn't decide to “cap” American cars for fun. The measure targets vehicles that don't meet CUSMA's regional value-content requirements, with a 25% counter-tariff applying to vehicles that fall outside those requirements. Vehicles that meet the North American content rules are treated differently. So, once again, this isn't some mysterious Canadian assault that appeared out of thin air. It's a countermeasure.
“They've banned certain goods and services from procurement in the provinces.”
THE REALITY: Several provinces changed procurement rules in response to U.S. economic pressure, restricting American companies from certain government contracts and projects. And once again, the timeline matters. These weren't the opening shots. They were responses to the opening shots.
HERE'S WHAT GREER DOESN'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT
There is a very simple word for what Canada did: RETALIATION. The United States imposed trade restrictions and tariffs. Canada responded. The United States escalated. Canada responded again. And now we're apparently supposed to be shocked—shocked!—that Canada didn't respond by sending a thank-you card and a gift basket.
That's what makes Greer's argument so misleading. He lists Canada's retaliatory measures as though Canadians spontaneously decided one Tuesday morning to punish the United States because we were feeling particularly mischievous. We didn't. There was a trigger, there was an action, and there was a response.
Maybe Greer believes Canada's response was excessive. Fine. Make that argument. Maybe he believes Canada should have responded differently. Fine. Make that argument, too.
But when you leave out who pulled the first lever, suddenly the person responding to the escalation can be made to look like the aggressor. Pretty neat trick.
Now Greer says Canada's actions are “extreme” and suggests America may need to do the same thing by banning Canadian products. Fine. But let's stop pretending Canada is the aggressor here.
If you're going to tell the story, tell the whole story. Because leaving out who pulled the first lever isn't an oversight.
It's the entire point.”

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

They do talk about the beginning, they just don't call it aggression. Pay attention and you will see that they call the first action (theirs) "administration's policy". Of course: Trump's "policy" from the start was to institute unilateral tariffs on everyone - so obviously, it's just a "policy" not an attack on anybody else.

Well, Lebensraum was a Hitler policy, but it was still an aggression to invade Poland and Czechoslovakia.

 

[Altair]

In case the Facebook link I added in my previous post won’t open for you guys here is the complete text.

“ Let's talk about Jamieson Greer's complaints about Canada, and the rather enormous piece of the story he seems to have misplaced.
“Canada has banned the sale of liquor and spirits.”
THE REALITY: No, the Canadian federal government did not wake up one morning and declare war on American booze. In response to U.S. trade measures, eight of Canada's ten provincial liquor boards pulled American wine, beer, and spirits from their government-run shelves. That's called retaliation. It's not Canada randomly deciding that Americans had suddenly become too good at making beer.
“We haven't banned anything from Canada.”
THE REALITY: No, you just slapped Canadian goods with 50% tariffs, making them substantially more expensive for American consumers. The distinction is that Canada retaliated while the United States initiated the economic attack. That's a pretty important distinction. You don't get to punch someone in the face and then act personally offended when they have the nerve to punch back.
“They've capped the type of autos we can bring in.”
THE REALITY: Canada didn't decide to “cap” American cars for fun. The measure targets vehicles that don't meet CUSMA's regional value-content requirements, with a 25% counter-tariff applying to vehicles that fall outside those requirements. Vehicles that meet the North American content rules are treated differently. So, once again, this isn't some mysterious Canadian assault that appeared out of thin air. It's a countermeasure.
“They've banned certain goods and services from procurement in the provinces.”
THE REALITY: Several provinces changed procurement rules in response to U.S. economic pressure, restricting American companies from certain government contracts and projects. And once again, the timeline matters. These weren't the opening shots. They were responses to the opening shots.
HERE'S WHAT GREER DOESN'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT
There is a very simple word for what Canada did: RETALIATION. The United States imposed trade restrictions and tariffs. Canada responded. The United States escalated. Canada responded again. And now we're apparently supposed to be shocked—shocked!—that Canada didn't respond by sending a thank-you card and a gift basket.
That's what makes Greer's argument so misleading. He lists Canada's retaliatory measures as though Canadians spontaneously decided one Tuesday morning to punish the United States because we were feeling particularly mischievous. We didn't. There was a trigger, there was an action, and there was a response.
Maybe Greer believes Canada's response was excessive. Fine. Make that argument. Maybe he believes Canada should have responded differently. Fine. Make that argument, too.
But when you leave out who pulled the first lever, suddenly the person responding to the escalation can be made to look like the aggressor. Pretty neat trick.
Now Greer says Canada's actions are “extreme” and suggests America may need to do the same thing by banning Canadian products. Fine. But let's stop pretending Canada is the aggressor here.
If you're going to tell the story, tell the whole story. Because leaving out who pulled the first lever isn't an oversight.
It's the entire point.”

Canada was done dirty by the rest of the globe.

If everyone else had found their cohones and slapped tariffs on the USA in a coordinated effort, the USA would have long backed down. Instead they acted like scolded children and end up surprised when Trump comes back time and time again, pulling the same trick.

Thankfully it seems the Europeans have had enough and will not compromise further, but it's far too late in the game to be helpful to us.