CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[Remius]

That's right. I keep forgetting. Ontario is Canada.

Not sure where you get that from what I posted.

 

[Kirkhill]

Not sure where you get that from what I posted.

Separatists are separatists because they do not feel as if they are treated like Canadians.

Canadians exist between Westmount and Westmount.

 

[brihard]

Maybe not Quebec, but north of it through sovereign First Nation's territory that comprises most of that province. Maybe a new federal government should begin exploratory talks with FN?

Treaty territory through Quebec doesn’t lead to Atlantic tidewater save for going through a very remote and mountainous part of Labrador.

Not sure it’s the smart move in the long run to further entrench First Nations and indigenous calling shots on national energy infrastructure. That would blow back hard elsewhere.

From a construction standpoint, the least-hard option would probably be leveraging the existing railway routes for new pipeline infrastructure from the prairies out to Quebec City or so, adjusted for whatever might already exist.

 

[Remius]

Separatists are separatists because they do not feel as if they are treated like Canadians.

Canadians exist between Westmount and Westmount.

Then Smith should have no issues getting along with Legault. Should be simple enough to get that pipeline then right?

 

[Fishbone Jones]

A tip of the hat for the Kipling quote.

Let’s not discount the possibility that Trump made proclamations with full intention of ham-fistedly carrying them out, but was brought to his senses by those pointing out the significant harms such a blanket approach would do to America and to the image of the early days of his presidency.

While we’ve been focused entirely on the Canadian interests, let’s also not forget that he basically threatened the whole world with broad strokes tariffs. Not all of the pushback was coming from north of the Maple Syrup Line.

Some people can't see the forest for the trees and will twist everything to blame Trump as an incompetent boob. Im sure someone could counter all day long about whether it's him or others, but sometimes a duck is just a duck. A duck some people spotted at the start of the thread.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Treaty territory through Quebec doesn’t lead to Atlantic tidewater save for going through a very remote and mountainous part of Labrador.

Not sure it’s the smart move in the long run to further entrench First Nations and indigenous calling shots on national energy infrastructure. That would blow back hard elsewhere.

From a construction standpoint, the least-hard option would probably be leveraging the existing railway routes for new pipeline infrastructure from the prairies out to Quebec City or so, adjusted for whatever might already exist.

Makes sense. Just spitballing.

 

[brihard]

Some people can't see the forest for the trees and will twist everything to blame Trump as an incompetent boob. Im sure someone could counter all day long about whether it's him or others, but sometimes a duck is just a duck. A duck some people spotted at the start of the thread.

Sure, but when the incoming chief executive of the most powerful and richest country in the world directly and explicitly threatens your economy with the expressed intent on compromising your sovereignty, you have to take that seriously. Anything else by our political leadership would be a gross delinquency in their duties.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Sure, but when the incoming chief executive of the most powerful and richest country in the world directly and explicitly threatens your economy with the expressed intent on compromising your sovereignty, you have to take that seriously. Anything else by our political leadership would be a gross delinquency in their duties.

Of course you need to take him seriously. He is a creature of habit. Nobody wants to consider those habits though. Even though they've been on display for 30+ years. Panic is not a consideration or a course of action.

 

[Kirkhill]

Sure, but when the incoming chief executive of the most powerful and richest country in the world directly and explicitly threatens your economy with the expressed intent on compromising your sovereignty, you have to take that seriously. Anything else by our political leadership would be a gross delinquency in their duties.

It would indeed be a dereliction not to consider the possibilities seriously.

But it is also useful to consider that there may be method in the madness, as Hamlet had it.

POTUS has been asking politely for a few decades now for Canada to do things differently. POTUS 47 has decided to stop being polite.

Kind of like our great Canadian peacemaker's treatment at the hands of the great Democrat social justice warrior.

LBJ to Pearson.

Grabbing him by the lapels, "Don't you come into my living room and piss on my rug."

 

[YZT580]

Can we and should we are different things. We should.

But You’ll have to ask Quebecers. Last time they weren’t keen on it.

I suppose the separatist leader of Alberta can talk to the separatist leader of Quebec. Neither has Canada first as part of their world view.

forget Quebec. Build to Churchill or Fort Nelson

 

[brihard]

I’ve not seen anyone in real positions of power panicking, nor failing to assess the method to the madness. They’ve been stipulating potential responses partly to signal our own resolve to the U.S. audience, both consumer and political, and to reassure Canadians that they aren’t sleeping on this.

There’s been haste in some things, but haste is in order.

While tariffs seem to probably be a ‘not immediately’ thing, that hasn’t become clear until today, and what we were being told was that it very much would be.

A fast-developing asylum seeker rush on the border is definitely still in the cards, with significant quick executive action expected there south of the border.

Tariffs are the single largest and most direct threat, but far from the only significant or imminent one.

 

[ArmyRick]

Of course it's about Trump being Trump. There was never any doubt for some. He's the driver. You started the thread. It's always been about tariffs and Trump. They are one in the same. People can now let their breath out, take some time and get your head around how he operates, instead of panicking evertime he says Boo.

Hopefully, after his studies are done, we'll have a new government that will bargain in our interests, our country and our economics.

"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs........"

Kevin O'Leary stated on TV this is Trumps thing. Get everyone riled up over what "could be" and then sit down and negotiate.

 

[ArmyRick]

What about a Canadian Beer pipeline? Canadian quality beer (Creemore at the top of the list, kids) and we pipe it across the country? No one will oppose a beer pipeline. Get a leak? OK, drunk beers and mooses.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Maybe not Quebec, but north of it through sovereign First Nation's territory that comprises most of that province. Maybe a new federal government should begin exploratory talks with FN?

It'll be interesting to see who gives Club Fed of any colour a harder time when it comes to building infrastructure: QC or FNs.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Didn't he sell high and buy low?

He sold SPR stocks when it was politically convenient - it may or may not have been at prices higher than the lowest price points - and only replenished part of the draw-down. The stock is down somewhere between 40% to 50% of levels prior to his (Biden's) administration, and in part that's true only because Congress agreed to cancel some mandated sales (ie. agreed not to go ahead with prior plans to reduce stocks even more).

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I’ve not seen anyone in real positions of power panicking, nor failing to assess the method to the madness. They’ve been stipulating potential responses partly to signal our own resolve to the U.S. audience, both consumer and political, and to reassure Canadians that they aren’t sleeping on this.

There’s been haste in some things, but haste is in order.

While tariffs seem to probably be a ‘not immediately’ thing, that hasn’t become clear until today, and what we were being told was that it very much would be.

A fast-developing asylum seeker rush on the border is definitely still in the cards, with significant quick executive action expected there south of the border.

Tariffs are the single largest and most direct threat, but far from the only significant or imminent one.

Absolutely agree, but I was talking about ordinary people that inhabit forums like this.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Kevin O'Leary stated on TV this is Trumps thing. Get everyone riled up over what "could be" and then sit down and negotiate.

Pretty sure that's what I said back at the beginning.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Agreed. Hopefully a lesson was learned.

Probably several - and not just by Canada.

I’m happy to have been mistaken in my expectation of the sanction sword being fully or significantly unsheathed first.

Credit where due, decent recce by public statements from now-POTUS47 helped show the chinks in Canada’s armour in anticipation of CUSMA coming up for review next year.

It’ll be interesting, given the same dynamics should be in play under a differemt coach (likely for now on a different Jersey) to see how the tensions play out again. Will the next PM be able to truly pull every premier into the tent & make them all willing to contribute to the cause, as it were? Will they be able to override big oil, big dairy and big auto & tell all of them they’re all needed in the fight if necessary?

How about for the next fight that could affect all of Canada negatively?

Some’ll say we found out who’s anti-Canada while some others’ll say one of the rules of resisting being bullied of f*%£€<#%ed over — not to obey in advance — sure fell to the wayside here.

Time will tell …

 

[suffolkowner]

He sold SPR stocks when it was politically convenient - it may or may not have been at prices higher than the lowest price points - and only replenished part of the draw-down. The stock is down somewhere between 40% to 50% of levels prior to his (Biden's) administration, and in part that's true only because Congress agreed to cancel some mandated sales (ie. agreed not to go ahead with prior plans to reduce stocks even more).

what was politically convenient about it?

 

[Brad Sallows]

what was politically convenient about it?

Releasing reserves to bring gas prices temporarily lower just before the 2022 midterms.