CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[Fishbone Jones]

If, IF, we finally get an influx of cash, to up our NATO contribution, I hope we spend it wisely. I hope we buy ammo to add to our three days worth. I want the equipment trudeau gave away to Ukraine. And so many other really needed things.

What I don't want are a gazillion dollars worth and however many corresponding days on making the military a DEI experiment. No more sensitivity stuff.

Just good solid military work shit. Stuff to unalive people.

One can dream, I suppose.

 

[Kirkhill]

I used to work for a boss who got his position as VP because he excelled in his previous position as head of sales.

He had one customer. His job consisted of answering the phone once a week and taking the order. He then relayed the information to production.

I'm not sure why this came to mind while discussing Canadian trade.

 

[Remius]

David Eby announcing the end of alcohol trade from red states.

And 6 billion dollars to develop energy in the province. Mining and NG.

 

[JLB50]

I hate to ask this, but… should the P-8 and F-35 contracts be put on hold?

I actually think they are the best aircraft for the CF, but are they the best choice for Canada?

Exactly how secure is our ability to access things like AEGIS at this time?


On a more personal note, is looking at where something is made “patriotic” or “reactionary?”


Edited to add: Cancel Amazon Prime? Netflix? AppleTV? Why do I have all of those anyway?

Shop at Kent instead of Home Depot?

But the economies are so integrated would any of that make a difference anyway? Those integrated economies are why this will hurt the US as well… U would hate to be in the auto industry right now.

I was wondering about that as well. For example, does our F-35 contract require that we purchase all 88 fighters? Supposedly, we need them for NORAD interoperability. But all 88? Could we get by with, say, 30 and then cancel any further orders in favour of one of the other European contenders. Definitely, we should make it known that the U.S. will not be a preferred supplier for ships, planes, tanks, etc. I’m sure that the Brits, French, Germans, Japanese and South Koreans have something more than suitable for our needs.

 

[NearingZenith]

David Eby announcing the end of alcohol trade from red states.

And 6 billion dollars to develop energy in the province. Mining and NG.

Don’t know if those reporters are reading our forum but a reporter did ask him whether Canada should be canceling or delaying our multi billion dollar plane, ship and other defence contracts with US companies. Of course Premier Eby couldn’t say but it does mean the idea is circulating publicly in the mainstream media and might get traction for better or worse.

 

[Remius]

Don’t know if those reporters are reading our forum but a reporter did ask him whether Canada should be canceling or delaying our plane, ship and other defence contracts with US companies. Of course Eby couldn’t say but it does mean the idea is circulating publicly in the mainstream media and might get traction for better or worse.

Watched that. Not sure that would be on the table.

But Eby’s comments that this will irreparably damage the relationship and that B.C. and Canada should position themselves to never let themselves be beholden to the US again was on point.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

David Eby announcing the end of alcohol trade from red states.

And 6 billion dollars to develop energy in the province. Mining and NG.

Ford had the liquor thing as a platform from the start also. Prolly hear something tomorrow or Monday.

I think Ford also said Ontario is the biggest purchaser of US liquor in the world.

 

[Kirkhill]

Super Natural Green mining in BC.

Whodathunkit?

 

[Remius]

Ford had the liquor thing as a platform from the start also. Prolly hear something tomorrow or Monday.

I think Ford also said Ontario is the biggest purchaser of US liquor in the world.

LCBO is one of the bigger ones yes. From a liquor industry perspective that is a big deal. Not sure how it impacts overall though.

 

[Fabius]

But Eby’s comments that this will irreparably damage the relationship and that B.C. and Canada should position themselves to never let themselves be beholden to the US again was on point.

The second part of that has been said before and will be said again.
I doubt this time will be any different than previous times.
Positioning ourselves otherwise will require significant investment and policy and regulatory efforts that only a serious and focused country could undertake over the timeframe required. I don’t see Canada being such a country.

In terms of defence procurement, this is but a bump in the road, the US, even a more isolationist US, with a renewed Monroe doctrine, will still be our primary defence partner. Geography and relative size means that’s an immutable fact, one that will outlast 4 years of Trump etc.

That said I expect we will likely rush to cut off our nose to spite our face on a number of fronts. We will likely see a renewed liberal wave of anti Americanism in many facets.

 

[brihard]

PM Trudeau’s about to give his speech. CPAC’s got it. Was supposed to start at 9 but he’s not out yet.

 

[Lumber]

PM Trudeau’s about to give his speech. CPAC’s got it. Was supposed to start at 9 but he’s not out yet.

He just quoted JFK. Nice.

 

[brihard]

Editing to add as I go:

The speech started out addressed directly to Americans. Heavy emphasis on our shared history in wars and natural disasters and our close economic ties.

25% tariffs on $30b on Tuesday, extended to a total $155b in 21 days.

Talking about a united and aligned response by ‘team Canada’ at federal and provincial levels.

He’s been in contact with the president of Mexico.

Asking for solidarity from Canadians. Many of us will be impacted and will face difficult moments- family, neighbours, fellow Canadians. This crosses over differences among Canadians.

Time to choose Canada. Check labels of products and buy Canadian. Calling out specific American consumer goods. Travel within and explore Canada.

VERY much an emphasis on Canadianness and a national spirit. “Canada is the best country on earth”.

We prefer diplomacy but are ready to fight when needed.

“Thank you, Marci, vive le Canada”

Questions coming now for 20 mins:

- He’s been reaching to speak with Trump since the inauguration and hopes to speak to him soon.

- Will retaliatory tariffs make it worse? We’ll take tough but necessary steps.

- Provinces are also taking steps such as ceasing to buy American alcohol, governments choosing not to buy American goods and services in favour of Canadian. All a part of the Canadian response.

(Sorry, questions so far all in French, doing my best)

- Going to try to balance impacts across the country, minimize concentration of impacts in localities or regions.

- Reality is Canada is a minor part of the border problems.

(Yay back to English)

- Different industries can have different leverage. Repeating in English that it’s important no one industry or region bears a disproportionate burden.

- “Will not move forward on issues that will divide the country” (cough oil)

- (Back to French) Americans need our oil gas and critical minerals, our auto parts, many things we produce that they depend on for their economy.

- Enormous challenge to the Auto industry.

- Want to be very clear, we do not want to be in this situation.

- Question about Americans getting booed at a hockey game tonight: Trudeau clearly not liking this aspect of things. We have a very long history together. Has confidence in both Canada and the American people to understand that Canada is not the big challenge facing America.

- Mercifully back to English. Doesn’t think many Americans wake up in the morning damning Canada; we’re friends and partners. Most succesful partnership the world has ever seen, a real value today’s times of geopolitical instability.

- My feed cut out, standby

- Not going to recall Parliament

- Oil off the table? Any conversations about further measures that impact a specific region or industry will be discussed among those levels involved.

- Is this actually about Fentanyl and the border? Emphasizes 1% of migrants and Fentanyl source from Canada. Still work to do. $1.3b already committed. Teams currently in China discussing precursor chemical issues. Canada shares the preoccupation with fent deaths.

- What does it mean that Trump isn’t speaking with you? Lots of good discussions over past months, ministers and officials heavily engaging. Blah blah blah.

- But if you can’t get a hold of him today can we have a productive relationship moving forward? Have had and will continue to have conversations, looks forward to continuing to talk. Have solved big problems again and will do so.

- When did you learn Trump intends to raise tariffs if there’s retaliation and did it change your strategy? Not looking to escalate but will meet the moment and stand up for Canadians and Canadian jobs. Will continue to work with the U.S. to counter fentanyl and to compete with “non-market economies around the world” (interesting choice of words).

- US says there’s nothing we can do to stop this, do you see a way out? Coming days and weeks will be hard for Canadians and Americans. Decades of partnership. This trade action and our response will have real consequences for workers on both sides. We don’t want to be here but we won’t back down standing up for Canadians and for the succesful partnership between Canada and US. Looking forward to working with US admin to deal with challenges.

Fin.

 

[QV]

Trump is the best thing that has happened to Canada in a long time. He’s making this country wake the fuck up and recognize what’s important and take things seriously again.

 

[Fabius]

VERY much an emphasis on Canadianness and a national spirit. “Canada is the best country on earth”.

Coming from him, the advocate of the post national state, it’s a sad testimony to where we have found ourselves.

 

[Lumber]

Not going to recall Parliament.

 

[dapaterson]

Editing to add as I go:

The speech started out addressed directly to Americans. Heavy emphasis on our shared history in wars and natural disasters and our close economic ties.

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[daftandbarmy]

Editing to add as I go:

The speech started out addressed directly to Americans. Heavy emphasis on our shared history in wars and natural disasters and our close economic ties.

25% tariffs on $30b on Tuesday, extended to a total $155b in 21 days.

Talking about a united and aligned response by ‘team Canada’ at federal and provincial levels.

He’s been in contact with the president of Mexico.

Asking for solidarity from Canadians. Many of us will be impacted and will face difficult moments- family, neighbours, fellow Canadians. This crosses over differences among Canadians.

Time to choose Canada. Check labels of products and buy Canadian. Calling out specific American consumer goods. Travel within and explore Canada.

VERY much an emphasis on Canadianness and a national spirit. “Canada is the best country on earth”.

We prefer diplomacy but are ready to fight when needed.

“Thank you, Marci, vive le Canada”

Questions coming now for 20 mins:

- He’s been reaching to speak with Trump since the inauguration and hopes to speak to him soon.

- Will retaliatory tariffs make it worse? We’ll take tough but necessary steps.

- Provinces are also taking steps such as ceasing to buy American alcohol, governments choosing not to buy American goods and services in favour of Canadian. All a part of the Canadian response.

(Sorry, questions so far all in French, doing my best)

- Going to try to balance impacts across the country, minimize concentration of impacts in localities or regions.

- Reality is Canada is a minor part of the border problems.

(Yay back to English)

- Different industries can have different leverage. Repeating in English that it’s important no one industry or region bears a disproportionate burden.

- “Will not move forward on issues that will divide the country” (cough oil)

- (Back to French) Americans need our oil gas and critical minerals, our auto parts, many things we produce that they depend on for their economy.

- Enormous challenge to the Auto industry.

- Want to be very clear, we do not want to be in this situation.

- Question about Americans getting booed at a hockey game tonight: Trudeau clearly not liking this aspect of things. We have a very long history together. Has confidence in both Canada and the American people to understand that Canada is not the big challenge facing America.

- Mercifully back to English. Doesn’t think many Americans wake up in the morning damning Canada; we’re friends and partners. Most succesful partnership the world has ever seen, a real value today’s times of geopolitical instability.

- My feed cut out, standby

I enjoyed how he conjured the 'beaches at Normandy and the Korean Peninsula' etc without a hint of ironic shame ...

 

[Remius]

Glad we aren’t letting an adversary just get what it wants.

 

[Lumber]

I enjoyed how he conjured the 'beaches at Normandy and the Korean Peninsula' etc without a hint of ironic shame ...

Care to elaborate on what part of that was ironic?