CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[PrairieFella]

That's a

Good question. He runs his government and the economy like a fiscal conservative, but his stance on social policies are straight up liberal. He's a true red-torie or possibly even a blue-grit.

Which is the political alignment of like 85% of Canadians lol

 

[Kirkhill]

Why bother, seriously? Just finish Northern Gateway, and build a Canadian oil line following TC’s gas line down to Ontario and on up to Churchill, so that Ontario to BC can buy, refine and use AB’s WCS, and let Quebec keep shipping in Saudi oil. If Quebec’s can sleep soundly at night knowing their cars are consuming MBS’s and family’s oil, so be it. I can sleep just as soundly getting my diesel from the Sarina or Nanticoke refineries being fed through an all-Canadian routed AB-ON pipeline.

Northern Gateway is one option. There may be another nearer term option that could be pursued as well.

'Northern Leg' to Trans Mountain pipeline attracts interest amid brewing trade war

An old proposal to build a northern branch off the Trans Mountain pipeline is attracting interest as a response to trade headwinds. Read on.

financialpost.com

A long-shelved proposal to build a northern branch off the Trans Mountain pipeline system to the northern British Columbia coast is attracting renewed interest as the Canadian oilpatch and federal and provincial governments grapple with a response to new trade headwinds with the United States.

The Trans Mountain pipeline expansion (TMX) may have sufficient capacity to support a so-called TMX Northern Leg, which would involve constructing a new lateral pipeline branch off the mainline near Valemount, B.C., to carry crude to an export terminal in Kitimat, according to sources familiar with the federally owned pipeline system

 

[PrairieFella]

Why bother, seriously? Just finish Northern Gateway, and build a Canadian oil line following TC’s gas line down to Ontario and on up to Churchill, so that Ontario to BC can buy, refine and use AB’s WCS, and let Quebec keep shipping in Saudi oil. If Quebec’s can sleep soundly at night knowing their cars are consuming MBS’s and family’s oil, so be it. I can sleep just as soundly getting my diesel from the Sarina or Nanticoke refineries being fed through an all-Canadian routed AB-ON pipeline.

I question the usability of Churchill. The harbour isn't actually that big and it's frozen for a large part of the year. A lot of modern oil tankers exceed the Panamax size of the harbour berths. Don't get me wrong, I'd love if my province got some sweet, sweet oil royalties but it'd be a part time export operation at best, without massive ice breaking investment. That said, if the icebreakers need to be there anyways, may as well park some submarines there too.

 

[FSTO]

I question the usability of Churchill. The harbour isn't actually that big and it's frozen for a large part of the year. A lot of modern oil tankers exceed the Panamax size of the harbour berths. Don't get me wrong, I'd love if my province got some sweet, sweet oil royalties but it'd be a part time export operation at best, without massive ice breaking investment. That said, if the icebreakers need to be there anyways, may as well park some submarines there too.

Port Nelson may be a better spot but then there’d need to be full time dredging (which pretty much every port on a river estuary has). Shipping season is usually Aug to Nov but I would wager that is slowly getting longer.
But circumventing Northern Ontario east would be a massive game changer.

 

[PrairieFella]

Port Nelson may be a better spot but then there’d need to be full time dredging (which pretty much every port on a river estuary has). Shipping season is usually Aug to Nov but I would wager that is slowly getting longer.
But circumventing Northern Ontario east would be a massive game changer.

Funny you mention that.

Port Nelson attracts liquified natural gas developer

Northern Prince, an organization that exports liquefied natural gas, is hoping to set up an operation in Port Nelson. Read more.

winnipegsun.com

In my mind, Port Nelson would be a better LNG terminal, a pipeline could be run along the existing road to Gillam>Sundance and along a new road to Port Nelson, which is only about 70 miles further NE. From the Hudson Bay it's only about 3500 nautical miles to the Port of Hamburg, which I'm sure would be more than happy to take our LNG.

Churchill could be used for heavier goods like grain and Manitoba's new potash reserves (millions of tons in Westman, being developed as we speak, super exciting) as they make more sense for rail traffic on the existing railroad. Part of the royalties on the potash should be directed to the upgrading of the railway to southern standards and the construction of a TC Canadian pipeline spur North from Winnipeg. With some vision, which I believe Wab actually has, we could become an important little province pretty quick.

https://www.tcenergy.com/siteassets/pdfs/natural-gas/canadian-mainline/transcanada-canadian-mainline-map.pdf

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

I think this is a good place to put this.

Bermuda Tim coming in HOT! I'm very happy with the Premier we got out here. Sorry, rest of Canada.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1895493852233969881

That's for self serving political purposes only. If he was really serious about trying to change the Bloc's leader's position, he would have drafted and sent the letter in French. You don't get people to change their minds by disrespecting them, twice in this case: by not using Blanchet's language, and by calling Blanchet small minded.


BTW, I would really like to know what "foreign nations" we are "so dependent" on, particularly where energy is concerned.

 

[JLB50]

Funny you mention that.

Port Nelson attracts liquified natural gas developer

Northern Prince, an organization that exports liquefied natural gas, is hoping to set up an operation in Port Nelson. Read more.

winnipegsun.com

In my mind, Port Nelson would be a better LNG terminal, a pipeline could be run along the existing road to Gillam>Sundance and along a new road to Port Nelson, which is only about 70 miles further NE. From the Hudson Bay it's only about 3500 nautical miles to the Port of Hamburg, which I'm sure would be more than happy to take our LNG.

Churchill could be used for heavier goods like grain and Manitoba's new potash reserves (millions of tons in Westman, being developed as we speak, super exciting) as they make more sense for rail traffic on the existing railroad. Part of the royalties on the potash should be directed to the upgrading of the railway to southern standards and the construction of a TC Canadian pipeline spur North from Winnipeg. With some vision, which I believe Wab actually has, we could become an important little province pretty quick.

https://www.tcenergy.com/siteassets/pdfs/natural-gas/canadian-mainline/transcanada-canadian-mainline-map.pdf

Although I’m not a fan of the NDP I am rather impressed with Wab at this point in time.

 

[OldSolduer]

I question the usability of Churchill. The harbour isn't actually that big and it's frozen for a large part of the year. A lot of modern oil tankers exceed the Panamax size of the harbour berths. Don't get me wrong, I'd love if my province got some sweet, sweet oil royalties but it'd be a part time export operation at best,

I think all of us would BUT our governments continue to spend spend spend like soldiers on a 96 hour pass in Budapest.

 

[PrairieFella]

Although I’m not a fan of the NDP I am rather impressed with Wab at this point in time.

We're generally a pragmatic lot here in MB.

 

[FSTO]

We are

We're generally a pragmatic lot here in MB.

We are the fly over province that flyover people fly over!

 

[Halifax Tar]

We are

We are the fly over province that flyover people fly over!

Winnipeg is place I have always wanted to visit. I have heard the indie music scene is really something.

 

[PrairieFella]

Winnipeg is place I have always wanted to visit. I have heard the indie music scene is really something.

Food, music, architecture, history, arts, Winnipeg has a lot going for it, despite its problems. I don't think it's too much of a leap to say Winnipeg is the cultural capital of the West. I love my home and have zero desire to move elsewhere. Certainly helps that Winnipeg is one of the last bastions of the middle class in Canada.

 

[ModlrMike]

Winnipeg gets a bad rap for violence, but in my considerable experience dealing with the outcome of said violence, I can confidently say that it's generally closed community stuff. Stranger violence is relatively rare, provided folks know where and when not to be someplace, and keep their heads on a swivel.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

That's for self serving political purposes only. If he was really serious about trying to change the Bloc's leader's position, he would have drafted and sent the letter in French. You don't get people to change their minds by disrespecting them, twice in this case: by not using Blanchet's language, and by calling Blanchet small minded.


BTW, I would really like to know what "foreign nations" we are "so dependent" on, particularly where energy is concerned.

Irving imports large quantities of oil from Saudi Arabia

 

[childs56]

Irving imports large quantities of oil from Saudi Arabia

Be interesting to see who's fleet carries that oil from over seas.
That oil is a blend of all the ME including the countries on the banned list.

Makes things even more interesting

 

[PrairieFella]

Winnipeg gets a bad rap for violence, but in my considerable experience dealing with the outcome of said violence, I can confidently say that it's generally closed community stuff. Stranger violence is relatively rare, provided folks know where and when not to be someplace, and keep their heads on a swivel.

Perspective is important. Winnipeg wouldn't even break the top 50 in terms of murder rates in the US. Our 2024 rate of 4.9 per 100,000 would make us slightly more murder-y than Glendale, AZ at 4.81 in the 71st position on the top 100 list of major cities. Perspective perspective perspective. That said, gang-based violence in the North End is a scourge that needs holistic approaches to mitigate.

 

[Good2Golf]

Wonderful. Pity he couldn't manage it with the cameras rolling in the WH. He obviously has to make that point more strongly to correct the misimpression.

He did.

BTW, I would really like to know what "foreign nations" we are "so dependent" on, particularly where energy is concerned.

Quebec imports from (in order):
1. Saudi Arabia,
2. Algeria,
3. Norway and
4. Nigeria.

Quebec imported over half of all of Canada’s oil imports, followed by close second New Brunswick (also Saudi Arabia is their #1 source)

Commentary: Guess where Canada’s $488 billion in foreign oil came from?....and which province imports the most? - Canadian Energy News, Top Headlines, Commentaries, Features & Events - EnergyNow

Quebec leads in oil imports from other countries despite Canada’s vast oil reserves By Mark Milke and Lennie Kaplan Follow CEC on Linkedin CEC Linkedin Follow CEC on Facebook CEC Facebook Follow CEC on Twitter CEC Twitter Downtown Montreal, Quebec In one of the great ironies of modern Canadian...

energynow.ca

 

[Kirkhill]

Funny you mention that.

Port Nelson attracts liquified natural gas developer

Northern Prince, an organization that exports liquefied natural gas, is hoping to set up an operation in Port Nelson. Read more.

winnipegsun.com

In my mind, Port Nelson would be a better LNG terminal, a pipeline could be run along the existing road to Gillam>Sundance and along a new road to Port Nelson, which is only about 70 miles further NE. From the Hudson Bay it's only about 3500 nautical miles to the Port of Hamburg, which I'm sure would be more than happy to take our LNG.

Churchill could be used for heavier goods like grain and Manitoba's new potash reserves (millions of tons in Westman, being developed as we speak, super exciting) as they make more sense for rail traffic on the existing railroad. Part of the royalties on the potash should be directed to the upgrading of the railway to southern standards and the construction of a TC Canadian pipeline spur North from Winnipeg. With some vision, which I believe Wab actually has, we could become an important little province pretty quick.

https://www.tcenergy.com/siteassets/pdfs/natural-gas/canadian-mainline/transcanada-canadian-mainline-map.pdf

And adjacent to Port Nelson is York Factory on the Hayes. I am not recommending York Factory as a site. Just noting that York Factory was a central export port for the Cree for the best part of 300 years. Port Nelson to York Factory is 18.2 km, the distance from Stanley Park to Richmond or closer than the distance between Pearson Airport and Union Station in Toronto.

York Factory - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

York Factory is on the north bank of the Hayes River, about 11 kilometres (7 miles) inland. The mouth of the Nelson River is to the north, across "Point of Marsh". The Hayes is a more practical canoe route, although the Nelson is much larger, with it draining Lake Winnipeg. Seagoing ships anchored at Five Fathom Hole 11 km (7 mi) from the fort due to the shallow bottom, and goods were transferred by smaller boats.The Shamattawa Airport and Gillam Airport are nearby today.

York Factory was a settlement and Hudson's Bay Company (HBC) factory (trading post) on the southwestern shore of Hudson Bay in northeastern Manitoba, Canada, at the mouth of the Hayes River, approximately 200 kilometres (120 miles) south-southeast of Churchill.

York Factory was one of the first fur-trading posts established by the HBC, built in 1684 and used in that business for more than 270 years. The settlement was headquarters of the HBC's Northern Department from 1821 to 1873. In 1936, the complex was designated a National Historic Site of Canada.

In 1957, the HBC closed it down. It has been owned by the Canadian government since 1968 and the site is now operated by Parks Canada. No one lives permanently at York Factory; there is a summer residence for Parks Canada staff, and some nearby seasonal hunting camps. The wooden structure at the park site dates from 1831 and is the oldest and largest wooden structure built on permafrost in Canada.

From the 17th to the late 19th century, the depot at York Factory and its predecessors were the central base of operations for the Hudson's Bay Company's (HBC) control of the fur trade and other business dealings with the First Nations throughout Rupert's Land, the vast territory comprising the entire watershed of Hudson Bay, and which now forms much of Canada.

The first three HBC posts were established on James Bay about 1670. In 1684, Fort Nelson, a fur trading post at the mouth of the Nelson River and the first headquarters of the Hudson's Bay Company, was established at the mouth of the nearby Nelson River. The company built a second fort, York Factory, on the Hayes river, naming it after the Duke of York. The establishment of the forts provoked a response from New France.

 

[dapaterson]

He did.



Quebec imports from (in order):
1. Saudi Arabia,
2. Algeria,
3. Norway and
4. Nigeria.

Quebec imported over half of all of Canada’s oil imports, followed by close second New Brunswick (also Saudi Arabia is their #1 source)

Commentary: Guess where Canada’s $488 billion in foreign oil came from?....and which province imports the most? - Canadian Energy News, Top Headlines, Commentaries, Features & Events - EnergyNow

Quebec leads in oil imports from other countries despite Canada’s vast oil reserves By Mark Milke and Lennie Kaplan Follow CEC on Linkedin CEC Linkedin Follow CEC on Facebook CEC Facebook Follow CEC on Twitter CEC Twitter Downtown Montreal, Quebec In one of the great ironies of modern Canadian...

energynow.ca

There are allegations that some Canadian imports are, in fact, blends that include Russian oil.

My simple solution would be to build a refinery to handle AB oil sands product in Quebec, for onwards sale to Atlantic Canada.

 

[Good2Golf]

There are allegations that some Canadian imports are, in fact, blends that include Russian oil.

Meh, Quebecers are sleeping soundly at night, so it’s not really a problem, is it?

My simple solution would be to build a refinery to handle AB oil sands product in Quebec, for onwards sale to Atlantic Canada.

No go. That would need dangerous pipelines all the way from Vaudreuil and Dorion to Levis. Way too dangerous. That’s 294km of precipitous death.