CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[rmc_wannabe]

One thing I (and many others, Blue or Red alike) hated about PMJT was his inability to pivot from harmful policy in light of changing conditions or events. Be it COVID, Ukraine, or the fact that budgets don't, in fact, balance themselves.

I would find myself hypocritical to deride this new PMMC Goverment for doing the thing I wanted, by ditching the #ElbowsUp approach and trying something different. 6 months is eons in the world of politics.

Hopefully this brings the Americans to the table in better faith and we can get on with business.

 

[daftandbarmy]

One thing I (and many others, Blue or Red alike) hated about PMJT was his inability to pivot from harmful policy in light of changing conditions or events. Be it COVID, Ukraine, or the fact that budgets don't, in fact, balance themselves.

I would find myself hypocritical to deride this new PMMC Goverment for doing the thing I wanted, by ditching the #ElbowsUp approach and trying something different. 6 months is eons in the world of politics.

Hopefully this brings the Americans to the table in better faith and we can get on with business.

Half a million US soybean farmers agree....

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[Czech_pivo]

Then we continue what we’re already doing- diversify our trade elsewhere to the extent feasible, find policies that encourage growth and diversification of Canadian industry etc.

The American population is showing an incredible tolerance for really stupid and self-destructive policy and administration action in other aspects of government, so it’s absolutely possible that we have overestimated the extent to which they’ll ’smarten up’, at least under the current administration. We seem to have our own government hoping for the best but planning for the worst, so there we are I suppose.

They will continue to do so right up until they snap - and when they do will be brutal. It was the same situation during the lead up to the late summer of 2008.

 

[McG]

A positive development, but this is not over.

Live updates: Appeals court finds Trump’s tariffs unconstitutional but leaves them in place for now

A federal appeals court ruled Friday that President Donald Trump had no legal right to impose sweeping tariffs but left in place for now his effort to build a protectionist wall around the American economy.

apnews.com

 

[The Bread Guy]

FYI, just pulled in another tariff thread to make this an "all things US-CAN tariffs" thread, so thread title also edited.

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[QV]

Video shows Doug Ford pouring out a bottle of Crown Royal over decision to close Ontario plant

Spirits maker Diageo announced last week that it will cease operations at its bottling facility in Amherstburg, Ont., early next year

nationalpost.com

Premier Ford is big mad at Diageo, the maker of Crown Royal. Instead of recommending Ontarians not buy the iconic Canadian whisky he ought ask himself why the company felt it had no choice but to move some bottling to the US.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Premier Ford is big mad at Diageo, the maker of Crown Royal. Instead of recommending Ontarians not buy the iconic Canadian whisky he ought ask himself why the company felt it had no choice but to move some bottling to the US.

Oh, Oh!

I know this one.

Is it the fact that the market is 10 times larger in the US? And that crown Royal is the most popular whiskey in the US?

 

[Halifax Tar]

Video shows Doug Ford pouring out a bottle of Crown Royal over decision to close Ontario plant

Spirits maker Diageo announced last week that it will cease operations at its bottling facility in Amherstburg, Ont., early next year

nationalpost.com

Premier Ford is big mad at Diageo, the maker of Crown Royal. Instead of recommending Ontarians not buy the iconic Canadian whisky he ought ask himself why the company felt it had no choice but to move some bottling to the US.

This is all an overly emotional response. CR still has ton of footprint in Canada.

 

[lenaitch]

Apparently distilled liquor sales are down across the board according to one expert:

Crown Royal bottling plant closure was expected as global whisky sales decline, expert says

While the recent announcement that Diageo will soon close its longstanding Crown Royal bottling facility in Amherstburg, Ont., has shocked the region, one Canadian whisky expert says the move was a long time coming."Whisky in general is selling less right around the world," said Davin de...

ca.news.yahoo.com

 

[PPCLI Guy]

This is all an overly emotional response. CR still has ton of footprint in Canada.

More importantly, it must be distilled in Canada to maintain its right to call it "Canadian Whiskey". All that has been moved is bottling in order to avoid the cost of shipping bottles. Now they just ship vats of product to the new bottling facility, located in their biggest market.

So, a business decision based on evolution of the market etc.

It seems that the question posed above

why the company felt it had no choice but to move some bottling to the US.

has a very simple answer.

Politician, pundits, and posters are still going to make this into something way more than it is to suit their purposes and advance their agenda, irrespective of the actual facts.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

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[Halifax Tar]

Politician, pundits, and posters are still going to make this into something way more than it is to suit their purposes and advance their agenda, irrespective of the actual facts.

Indeed. I would propose that if Trump were not prez this wouldn't have made news outside the local news paper.

 

[OldSolduer]

This is all an overly emotional response. CR still has ton of footprint in Canada.

HEY ELBOWS UP DUDE!!!

 

[brihard]

Is the bottling move only for the American market or will they distill up here, ship it south, bottle it, then ship sellable bottles back up?

 

[Halifax Tar]

HEY ELBOWS UP DUDE!!!

 

[Rifleman62]

Reminder:

Nestled on the edge of Lake Winnipeg, Crown Royal’s distillery in Gimli, Manitoba, is home to 1.5 million barrels of delicious whisky that sit patiently waiting to be shared with the world.

Our property stretches over 360 scenic acres with 51 warehouses (which house more barrels of whisky than there are people in Manitoba) and one stillhouse (which serves as a landmark from the lake so fisherman can return safely to harbor). The distillery employs roughly 76 people who distill, mature, blend and run Crown Royal’s 24 hours a day, 7 days a week operation

 

[QV]

More importantly, it must be distilled in Canada to maintain its right to call it "Canadian Whiskey". All that has been moved is bottling in order to avoid the cost of shipping bottles. Now they just ship vats of product to the new bottling facility, located in their biggest market.

So, a business decision based on evolution of the market etc.

It seems that the question posed above

has a very simple answer.

Politician, pundits, and posters are still going to make this into something way more than it is to suit their purposes and advance their agenda, irrespective of the actual facts.

This is continuing a trend of job loss to the US. No big deal? And the Premier of Ontario just asked his populace to stop buying a Canadian product. Well done!

 

[PPCLI Guy]

This is continuing a trend of job loss to the US. No big deal? And the Premier of Ontario just asked his populace to stop buying a Canadian product. Well done!

As I said:

Politician, pundits, and posters are still going to make this into something way more than it is to suit their purposes and advance their agenda, irrespective of the actual facts.

 

[lenaitch]

Is the bottling move only for the American market or will they distill up here, ship it south, bottle it, then ship sellable bottles back up?

From Diageo's media release:

• Crown Royal whisky destined for Canada and non-U.S. export markets will continue to be bottled in Canada, at Diageo’s Valleyfield, Quebec facility.

 

[RangerRay]

This is all an overly emotional response. CR still has ton of footprint in Canada.

I’ll save my emotional response for if they close the Gimli distillery.

On a different note, I was disappointed to learn that they don’t have a gift shop, visitor centre or tasting room there.