CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[suffolkowner]

Federal Transfer Payments ?

it would have to be the opposite though, right, a Provincial transfer to the Federal govt

 

[Halifax Tar]

it would have to be the opposite though, right, a Provincial transfer to the Federal govt

No idea.

 

[Eaglelord17]

Oh, I don’t think that the majority of GenZ or younger millennials truly believes that Canada committed genocide on its first nations peoples. That said, when the leader of a country is using social media and other venues to transmit that message, when can’t help but wonder a little bit just how much was absorbed, particularly from the group that provide provided much support to Syd leader of the day.

We 100% did. Genocide just comes in many flavours. It isn’t all concentration camps, there is also ethnic cleansing and cultural genocide, both of which is very well documented.

If you don’t believe that any genocide happened ask the Beothuk… oh wait you can’t.

Now does that mean we need to dismantle Canada? No. But acknowledging the past is important to advancing in the future.

 

[Remius]

I think a major one not mentioned is the CPP/OAS entitlements. These would have a larger impact than all of the above except perhaps the healthcare myth.

Depends on what parts you consider mythical.

As to your other stuff:

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No one is clamouring to use the USD as our currency. With good reason. I don’t see that changing. We could do it now if we wanted to. We don’t.



The tax rate is better and I’d argue you will pay more at your specific salary bracket than here given pay roll, health care insurance etc. (You have probably been CAF your whole life so likely have no idea about normal health care so I’ll grant you that lack of info). After doing the actual math a lot of Canadians won’t like what they see.



Popular doesn’t mean good.

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The US isn’t one of those.

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Yes. But have you seen the difference in power between Provinces and States? No way Americans would allow Provinces the powers over their jurisdictions that they currently have.

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Kind of my point. CPs proposal is to placate Quebec but it would in fact not do that at all. Concentrated pockets in the west, Ontario and New Brunswick. Quebec would certainly be the loudest and most vocal supporting those pockets. History is evidence to that.

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I’d love to hear why you would say that. The current reaction to the 51st state garbage seems to support my position. That is what was offered (albeit in a half assed way) but it offers most of what is listed by CP and it seems to not be well received in most places except Alberta (and even there it is not popular but seems to have the highest reception to the idea).

It’s a fun fantasy but will never happen.

And remember that this was sent to us in some mistaken belief that Canada wanted

 

[QV]

Happily living in and being annexed are not the same thing.

I've happily lived in Belgium, Holland, Czech Republic and the US. I've not lived in one of these countries during a time period when they were forcibly annexed.

The erasing of a country's complete history/culture is NOT something that I want to go through. When I lived in the Czech Republic that was ALL around me - the erasing of centuries of German history/culture

A country that has over 250million personal firearms, from .38 Specials to full auto AK47's, is more than 'slight neurotic'.

Canada is not going to be forcibly annexed. But I would never rule out absorbed with consent.

 

[Good2Golf]

We 100% did. Genocide just comes in many flavours. It isn’t all concentration camps, there is also ethnic cleansing and cultural genocide, both of which is very well documented.

If you don’t believe that any genocide happened ask the Beothuk… oh wait you can’t.

Now does that mean we need to dismantle Canada? No. But acknowledging the past is important to advancing in the future.

I have taken my cue on what is or isn’t genocide in Canada from my uncle (through marriage) who is Cree. He disagrees with the use of the term, particularly because of its wide definition, as he says “gas chambers to hurt feelings.” He also took issue with the Government of the day’s insistence of the missing indingenous women was genocide (which he says is ‘Indian on Indian’ violence for the most part.) and also the described residential schools murders (which he points out, as a red school victim, which he agrees with that terminology, was poor grave marker keeping, and not full-on murder of residential school children). He made an interesting point that the path towards ‘full-on’ genocide as described by many Canadians has been an interesting one, starting with ‘mistreatment’ through a softer ‘cultural genocide’ to a full-on unqualified ‘genocide.’ He thinks that as each phase of describing poor treatment of Canada’s First Nations seemed to lose momentum, it would be ramped up to the next level of description. His biggest complaint is that no matter what handwringing happens over what to name their mistreatment, the fundamental situation of the Government’s policies towards the First Nations hasn’t changed in more than a century and that people think they’re better today because people out of guilt wear an orange t-shirt once a year. He says, “FFS, it’s still called the Canadian Indian Act. Until that changes, nothing changes.”

 

[Halifax Tar]

But I would never rule out absorbed with consent.

I think there is a point where economic pressure (weight) just becomes too much.

 

[Remius]

Canada is not going to be forcibly annexed. But I would never rule out absorbed with consent.

That option has been ruined for at least a full generation if not more with the current administration south of us.

 

[QV]

We 100% did. Genocide just comes in many flavours. It isn’t all concentration camps, there is also ethnic cleansing and cultural genocide, both of which is very well documented.

If you don’t believe that any genocide happened ask the Beothuk… oh wait you can’t.

Now does that mean we need to dismantle Canada? No. But acknowledging the past is important to advancing in the future.

Who is "we"?

 

[QV]

I think there is a point where economic pressure (weight) just becomes too much.

Quite possible. And could very well be the strategy. It remains to be seen if Canada can get it's shit together to withstand it... still not seeing any real "team Canada" outputs.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Quite possible. And could very well be the strategy. It remains to be seen if Canada can get it's shit together to withstand it... still not seeing any real "team Canada" outputs.

I don't think he's interested in fighting for us. Look at the Maduro operation, 4 hours. In and out, no casualties, no occupation, no insurgency (yet). Pretty clean so far. He's not interested in spilling American blood, that's how you loose support.

But he and his successors can probably maliciously ignore us until we don't have much of a choice.

 

[QV]

I don't think he's interested in fighting for us. Look at the Maduro operation, 4 hours. In and out, no casualties, no occupation, no insurgency (yet). Pretty clean so far. He's not interested in spilling American blood, that's how you loose support.

But he and his successors can probably maliciously ignore us until we don't have much of a choice.

I think it is pure lunacy to suggest the US would ever actually invade Canada. That said if Canada can't stand on it's own two feet without special carve outs (they may be unwilling to give) from big daddy USA, what are the options?

 

[Eaglelord17]

I don't think he's interested in fighting for us. Look at the Maduro operation, 4 hours. In and out, no casualties, no occupation, no insurgency (yet). Pretty clean so far. He's not interested in spilling American blood, that's how you loose support.

But he and his successors can probably maliciously ignore us until we don't have much of a choice.

So the 40 murdered (which is what this essentially amounts to, unless you believe that the US can just bomb and kill you without provocation) civilians and soldiers count as no casualties?

I wouldn’t call that clean, it is simply that no Americans died.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I think it is pure lunacy to suggest the US would ever actually invade Canada. That said if Canada can't stand on it's own two feet without special carve outs (they may be unwilling to give) from big daddy USA, what are the options?

Laws must be enforced to be laws, and countries must be defended to be sovereign.

Nothing conceptual exists without will and force behind it.

 

[Halifax Tar]

So the 40 murdered (which is what this essentially amounts to, unless you believe that the US can just bomb and kill you without provocation) civilians and soldiers count as no casualties?

I wouldn’t call that clean, it is simply that no Americans died.

Yes you're correct that's what I said. He's really not concerned with dead Venezuelans. They don't fly into Dover AFB in flag draped coffins.

 

[Quirky]

don't think he's interested in fighting for us. Look at the Maduro operation, 4 hours.

Sad thing is, operation to take over Canada would take less time with fewer munitions used.

 

[Cloud Cover]

CTV reported that 32 of the dead are his cuban body guards.

Cuba says 32 Cuban officers were killed in U.S. action in Venezuela

An American military operation in Venezuela killed 32 Cuban officers over the weekend, the Cuban government said Sunday in the first official acknowledgement of the deaths.

www.ctvnews.ca

Tomato Tamata but if Trump effed up and 32 Americans were KIA …. He’d blame Hunter Biden, call Hegseth a loser and raise tariffs on Egypt.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Our oil is already more expensive to produce and more expensive to sell. I can’t imagine a 25% tariff on our oil being exported to the U.S. would be great for our energy sector.


I never worry about my investments day by day, or even month by month- but for sure out of curiosity I’ll see how the markets respond to this announcement.

CDN oil and gas companies took it on the chin today.

 

[Halifax Tar]

He’d blame Hunter Biden, call Hegseth a loser and raise tariffs on Egypt.

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[brihard]

CDN oil and gas companies took it on the chin today.

Meh, weak hands selling into fear.