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Can you feel the love in the air? ;)

Al,

I have to agree with you. I travel to the States on a regular basis, especially Detroit, and have never had a problem. Never had a bad time and always was treated with respect and friendliness. In most cases I've found them more helpful and polite than our own. Same as any place, go looking for trouble, you'll find it.
 
IMHO, a lot of 'talking with Americans' is them saying what they too believe to be funny things that they know are outrageously false.. Just look at their smiles when they say those things.
 
That, and how many proper answers are edited out before Mercer gets that one goofy sound bite he's looking for. ::)

Nope, that's no good try again
Nope, try again
Ah shit, let's try another
Damn, can't we find anyone that's not with it?
Hell, hold up a cue card and give him a Timmies!
 
yea yea yea I got worked up and I shouldn't have.

He's still full of crap (and no Canada is not the best country in the world..... close though... ;)).

And yes, my response to the Zamboni bit was supposed to be rather tounge in cheek as well.

Oh and the link:

http://www.cbc.ca/story/science/national/2004/09/21/safe_inject040921.html for a CBC story

http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/abstract/171/7/731 for a detailed report on some of the other impacts of the site (namely the neighbourhood is actually cleaner and more free of needles). I might add it was published in the Canadian Medical Association Journal and is not just an editorial piece but a scientific study.
 
Why I believe that I was being thrown into the Young and not well travelled group....Wrong on both points. If some people view the article as tongue in cheek then knock yourselves out, I found it offensive. My pointing out about the Ny, LA, Det was an example as he used Vancouver as an example. Nobody should like having their country made fun of, not the Americans a la Rick Mercer or us because of silly writers like we are discussing. Next thing I'll be hearing is that I should take Margaret Wente's vast ghetto comments with a grain of salt. I agree that trouble is where you find it, but here is something that may get the brain stew going, it still has me wondering...In 2000, the number of murders in Detroit were 165 in Windsor which is 10 feet away they had one and it was by a guy from Detroit.
In any case I like my county and I don't like people slacking it, never did, never will and I don't need anyone from the outside to point out obvious faults, I can find them myself just fine.  ;D
 
Can't live in a glass house and throw stones Island. If our media and intellectual elite think it's great to run down the US be prepared for same. Here's an excellent column by Michael Coren

Sat, February 12, 2005

U.S. is better than Canada

By MICHAEL COREN -- For the Toronto Sun


I love this country. I came here almost 19 years ago and have spent the majority of my adult life here.

It pains me to say it, it really does. But the fact is that in so many areas and walks and ways of life, the United States is now a better country than Canada.

There, I've said it. Because I'm so very tired of the way, particularly in the last two years, that we Canadians have come to define ourselves not by who we are but by who we are not.


At its most innocuous, it is a mere insecurity about our southern neighbours. At its most repugnant, however, it is publicly funded mediocrities screaming abuse at a great and noble nation because their own self-esteem is so fragile. With a malodorous stew of ignorance and malice, they pump Canada at the expense of deflating the United States.

They say that we are about peace and they are about war. Nonsense. We haven't been able to keep the peace for years even if we'd wanted to do so. We haven't the aircraft or the equipment. It's the Americans who send most of the aid and keep most of the peace.

They say we are informed and intelligent, they are insular and foolish. Harvard, Yale, Princeton and a plethora of world-class universities. Nobel Prize winners by the dozen, internationally renowned scientists, scholars and sages. Goodness me, they even produce better anti-Americans than we do.

They say we are sophisticated, they are dumb. Yet they have more symphony orchestras, more theatres, more libraries, more museums per head than we do in Canada.

They say we are free, they are not. Really? Take the example of Fox News. For years this right-of-centre network was barred from Canadian airwaves, while we publicly funded left-of-centre equivalents such as the CBC.

Fox is now available on digital cable and, well, nothing has changed at all. In other words, Canadians are not quite as pathetic and vulnerable as our leaders assume. We can be trusted with alternative views.

They say we have arts and culture while all they have is trash television. Not quite. They have a massive variety of television, including the most trashy. Thing is, we have tried to produce trash TV but failed. As we fail when we try to copy American legal dramas, police dramas, historical dramas.

They say we produce art movies while they produce mere populism. Not so. In spite of generous government funding, we make variations on a theme. A dying town somewhere in rural Canada, gay characters struggling to be understood, the fight against racism and a bigoted Christian somewhere on the scene. Oh, and a few pornographic images thrown in for good measure.

They say we have diversity and wit in our press, while they have conformity and lack of style. Yet every American city has a number of impressive daily newspapers and most small towns have weekly publications. They have liberal and conservative, religious and secular, black and white.

They have wide and different ownership, a multitude of different and contrary expression, the right to say almost anything, the liberty to question authority, the expectation of argument and debate, the protection of the basic right to speak one's mind.

Bashers of the U.S. say we have the separation of church and state while they have too much religion. The truth is that they have a constitutional requirement to separate church and state but allow religion to have its place in the public square, thus giving voice to so many brilliant and ethical people.

We effectively silence people of faith, lie to and about them and insult the very ideas that founded Canada itself. We stifle talk of moral behaviour in the name of morality. We deny the difference between right and wrong and then condemn people as being wrong if they disagree.

We say we are mature and they are childish. Which shows just how immature we are and how much growing up we need to do.

Time to put away the toys of smugness and conceit and make our own way in the world. With or without a government grant.




 
Steve said:
oh man not this crap again..

Indeed... complete with the token self-loathing Canadians to trumpet the glory of the same tired old interpretation of Canadian identity. When we start taking cues on our national identity from half-wit tourists, it's time to dump arsenic in the water supply.
 
From the article
Historians believe this to be the first time a member of parliament has so categorically denounced a hand puppet.

I do agree with some of his post...And there are many things that I do not like about what Canada seems to have become...But I'm still a proud Canadian.

Slim

P.S. The above statement made me laugh. ;D
 
Because I'm so very tired of the way, particularly in the last two years, that we Canadians have come to define ourselves not by who we are but by who we are not.

I've actually named it. I call it the 'Jan Brady Syndrome' (Patent Pending). A lot of this whining in the media about "Canada's Place In The World" and our "National Identity" just sounds like this to me: "Marsha, Marsha, Marsha! What about meeeeeeee?"

Ask my Dad about his Canadian Identity. He's busy working his farm, and doesn't worry much about it. Same probably holds true for fishermen in Newfoundland, clerks in the malls of Winnepeg, and Inuit in Nunavut (which is a really fun word, when you say it out loud 3 times fast. Go ahead, do it.) And getting upset about someone poking fun us for our foibles just takes too much effort for this fat ol' redneck.
 
It seems to me that the only people who are worried about our "National Image" are those who are out to re-define it into something that it should never become!

Just my unqualified opinion.

Slim :salute: :cdn:

(who feels he earned the right to call himself a Canadian.)
 
99.99% of U All's don't realise that we supply just over 30% of all their energy.
See how significant we would become then if we closed all the valves on the oil and gas going south or put export duties on the oil and gas as they are getting it cheaper than the current market price.
 
To bad most of our oil firms are owned by multinationals and would tell us to piss off.
 
I don't understand why people get upset by articles like this... he goes around asking Americans that have decided to move to Canada, why they like Canada more than the US, then says we are insecure because we are defining whats different between Canada and the US, or in otherwords answered his bloody question... you can try that experiment anywhere in the world, and you will get the same reaction. He's a flaming idiot and not worth getting upset about, he's trying to upset people, so just ignore him
 
Spr.Earl said:
99.99% of U All's don't realise that we supply just over 30% of all their energy.
See how significant we would become then if we closed all the valves on the oil and gas going south or put export duties on the oil and gas as they are getting it cheaper than the current market price.

To bad most Canadians don't realise 85% of our economy is directly tied to those same U alls.

PUBLICATION:  The Ottawa Citizen
DATE:  2005.03.17
EDITION:  Final
SECTION:  News
PNAME:  Editorial
PAGE:  A16
COLUMN:  David Ljunggren
BYLINE:  David Ljunggren
SOURCE:  Citizen Special

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Canada would be less smug without the U.S. market

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United States good -- must be obeyed. United States bad -- must be defied. It's depressing what often passes for informed debate in Canada when the superpower to our south comes up for discussion.

Look to the left and you'll see supercilious academics, legislators and the like more than happy to poke a stick in Uncle Sam's eye. Look to the right and there are the quaking industrialists, always ready to predict economic apocalypse unless Canada follows Washington's commands. Lost in this mindless mire is a clear idea of what's happening in the United States and the dramatic impact it could have here.

But hey, it's so much easier to wheel out the slurs, as former Liberal foreign minister Lloyd Axworthy did in a remarkably insulting open letter to U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice earlier this month. Axworthy, lambasting Washington for its missile-defence system, mocked President Bush as a "divinely guided master" fond of "control-freak antics" and boasted about how many consecutive balanced budgets Canada had brought down.

He somehow forgot to mention this surplus of riches is directly linked to the U.S., which buys 85 per cent of our exports and therefore accounts for a third of the Canadian economy. If it weren't for American consumers, the Canadian government wouldn't have any money to devote to the causes so dear to Axworthy's heart. Those expensive millennium scholarships? That massive increase in health spending? You should be thanking our single best customer. This, however, is an inconvenient truth amidst the anti-American rhetoric.

The Canadian Chamber of Commerce showed a similar lack of insight when it issued its usual panic-stricken cries after Canada walked away from <missile> <defence>. The chamber, which warned darkly of "negative economic consequences," is the very same body which so wrongly forecast calamitous U.S. retribution when Canada stayed out of the Iraq war. These people should get out into the real world a bit more.

The United States has much bigger fish to fry than worrying too much about its insecure and occasionally splenetic neighbour. One target for Washington's ire is Iran, which has lots of deadly Chinese-built Silkworm anti-ship missiles. You don't need too much imagination to work out what would happen to oil prices if a tanker or two blew up in the Gulf and the immediate impact on the world's largest oil-consuming economy. Canada is currently the biggest supplier of energy to the United States, so the White House is much more likely to tune out the radio interference from up north rather than getting upset.

What really worries me is that the sterile whining from left and right is obscuring a more important truth. There are signs of trouble in Canada's main market, where both the government and millions of Americans are massively in debt, the dollar is weakening and the public education system is giving off clear signs of crisis. Schools in states like Oregon are shutting down weeks early for lack of money, and not long ago a report came out saying half the inhabitants in greater Los Angeles were functionally illiterate.

People unable to read or write will not be buying Canadian-made cars or houses made of Canadian softwood lumber any time soon. This is alarming, since the most recent trade figures from Statistics Canada show our prosperity depends more and more on the U.S. The dirty little secret no one wants to talk about is that Canada is running large trade deficits with China, Japan and the European Union and would be in serious trouble if it weren't for the easy pickings down south.

So if the pessimists are right and the U.S. economy sinks into meltdown mode, there won't be any more fat contracts for Canadian firms, and that will have nothing to do with what the federal government did or didn't do about Iraq or <missile> <defence>. It strikes me that a chamber of commerce that really wanted to ensure its members thrived in the years ahead might be advised to kill off the alarmist rhetoric and instead do all it can to persuade its powerful friends in Washington to put their house in order. We'd all benefit -- big business, average Canadians and even those members of Parliament happy to stomp George Bush dolls.

So let's please devote our energies to studying the latest developments in the United States. There are fires smouldering down south, and we could soon be choking in a thick smoke which will be oblivious to simplistic chants of "America good" or "America bad."

 
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